Among the Hungarian neo Nazis we count the Gój Motorosok (Goy Bikers) union, which is some kind of Eastern European, antisemitic version of the American bike gangs. From Israel, I find them a bit ridiculous. But they are not. 
Their banner says: Go to your country. Agreed. Below: Hungary, where some people still thinks.. Yet to be proved.
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I am always amazed at how little Hungarian resembles any other European language. As someone who knows English, Yiddish, some Spanish, a sprinkling of Polish, I can usually a least pick a few words out of a sentence in most European languages, but Hungarian - not a clue, not one word that means anything in any other language (except, I gather there is some very distant relation to Finnish).
Now that you have kindly provided the translation, be glad you are in Israel and I in America - nothing has changed in Europe - my father used to tell me the Poles would chant "Zydy na Palestina" in the 30s - "Jews to Palestine" (except in Polish Zyd is a vulgar word for Jew - to be polite you say "the religion of Moses", but those chanting were not polite to say the least.
Dear Engineer,
you miss some elements and see everywhere nazis. Let me inform you concerning the second picture.
It was an obvious and exact answer to the hungarian liberals' campaign which used blue and white and said "Let my country come. Hungary, the land where everyone thinks with reason."
http://epa.oszk.hu/00800/00804/00412/szdsz.jpg
In fact, it is a quite sacrilegious inversion of what is called "the Lord's prayer" by Christians. In Hungarian everyone understands that hint.
The liberal party in Hungary is quite often considered as a Jewish party. Most of their leaders have that ancestry, in fact. Besides they are rather anti-Christian and like to mock the churches.
Blue and white are their favourite colors in their own propaganda.
But the Goj motorosok as neo-nazis ... that is quite an overstatement. Actually they are mostly goy and Hungarian, with some romantic nationalism but so far have not done anything anti-semitic. Perhaps they read something from Naftali Kraus and got their name in that way :)
anon of Hungary
Dear Anon of Hungary,
I absorbed the Hungarian language with the milk I sucked from my milkmaid, a woman who later became Hugary's Minister of Culture. That was in Jaszbereny, after the war.
Therefore I dare to affirm that
"menjel" means "go" and not "come". I still remember the Lord's Prayer in Hungarian but cannot see the inversion you mention. Still I agree that you may be right, since the language has changed a lot since then while I didnt.
Regarding the bike club's sweet romanticism, they may be great fellows and mean no evil, but I am old man with settled prejudices about Hungarian nationalists, so I am not going to change my opinion today.
Dear Engineer,
perhaps i was obscure. What i meant is:
1) "Jöjjön el a Te országod" -- the Lord's Prayer
2) "Jöjjön el az én országom. Magyarország, ahol mindenki az eszével gondolkozik." -- liberal propaganda
3) "Menjél el a te országodba. Magyarország, ahol néhányan még az eszükkel gondolkoznak." -- the answer to the latter
Indeed, it means go to. But you certainly know, sending someone to somewhere (to hell, to "franc" or "picsa" or especially into his mother, or a variation of these terms) is a common and vulgar expression of disagreement among us, close to an insult. This foul way of expression become far more common in the last 20 years or so than was before.
Another question whether the liberal propaganda above, with its colour code and choice of words can or cannot be perceived as a provocation in itself. Many thought it was. Actually, in that language the Lord's Prayer is the sole context where you can hear the "coming of the realm of" someone.
Replacing God with a "me" may be seen as fun if one is a cheap blogger or an undergraduate. But if you see it in the media, in placards on the street, signed by a political party in power, and executed from the money of the taxpayers' -- it is rather a disgust. Especially if you consider that "tolerance" belongs to the central value "advertised" by the same party.
So yes, it was not a spectacularly elegant but somehow appropriate answer -- but both political texts permit paranoid / experienced / suspicious readings.
Well. I am afraid i went too much into details of no interest. But it is not my intention to battle with settled prejudices (respecting the elders' experience but also having own prejudices).
Anon, the same one
Dear Anon,
It is less important what the slogan intended to say, than people understood.
Anyway, I agree with the slogan as I understood it. Hungarian Jews should come to their country, Israel.
By the way, biking is most glorious.
Hungarians have No Right on the pannonian plain they invaded 12 centuries ago and submitted Valachians Germaznics and Slavs already there for longer times!
Traces of Jews are found 8 centuries BEFORE Màgyàrs came to that area from the 3000 km far North Siberia.
I suppose that Jews are NOW agreeing passionately to the polish and Hungarian and german and and ..;curse: "Fuc...Jew, go back to Palestina!!!!!"
They can be praised enough for such suggestion!!!
NB: Zyd is not a curse in Polish, it is just the translation of the common Yid of yiddsih or Judean Jew or Juif etc...But "przeklęty Zyd" is a one...!
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