I am not an American citizen and I dont vote in American elections. However, America rules the world and in many senses, only America matters. All my natural predispositions and preferences are against Obama, I really hate the community economic development ideology - appropriate technology nonsense - embraced by the World Bank (his mother's employer) and himself. I am a fanatic of the "The Bell Curve" and its proposals, and disagree with the racial quota system. I think over-regulation and equalitarianism will stiffle American (and therefore, human) dynamism and progress. But lately it has been maturing and hardening in my mind the idea that in a world where Kevin Macdonald exists and is non-stop venomously slandering the Jewish people and promoting virulent hate against us, preparing in fact - so I see it - the foundations for our expulsion and/or assessination, I have no choice but to be strongly in favor of Obama. Obama means fighting and silencing racists and antisemites everywhere, including moral perverts like Kevin MacDonald, Obama means creating a public environment where their teachings are unpopular, illegal and liable to send them to jail. MacDonald has been fighting Obama and his choice for the Supreme Court employing the classic antisemite weapon of calling her a "Jewess" in the sense of associating her with Jews. I am sure someone is now feverishly looking into her genealogy to find a tiny drop of "Jewish blood" among her Portorrican genes (as if that made her a Jewess) or she has friends and supporters identifiable as influential Jews. In fact, I have no idea who Sotomayor is, till yesterday I had never heard of her, but by her looks I judge that she is organically incapable of ever accepting MacDonald and his ilk's line, to the point that - so I hope - she represents an immediate danger for MacDonald personally. If so, every Jew must consider her an ally in our unceasing battle for survival. Although I am a natural, visceral opponent of Obama's ideology, and I cant suffer unmarried neurotic female lawyers, Kevin MacDonald has succeeded in turning me into a supporter of Obama and his choice for the Supreme Court, Sotomayor.
Just as in my parents generation after the Holocaust in Hungary, Jews had no rational choice but favor the most reliable anti-Nazi champion, which was the Hungarian Social Democratic (aka Communist) Party, in our days we have no rational choice other than support the most reliable enemy of MacDonald. Obama and Sotomayor can be relied on that they will combat antisemites, not because care about Jews, but because they cannot jump out of their skins and do otherwise. American Jews may have felt this instinctively; for me, it took a long thinking process to arrive to this conclusion. Tremble, MacDonald!
Post Scriptum: The New York Times writes today on Sotomayor's nomination.
In Princeton... she become the outspoken leader of a Puerto Rican students group, Acción Puertoricaño, leading Hispanics to file a complaint against Princeton with the federal government to force the hiring of Hispanic faculty members and administrators. “She was very passionate about affirmative action for women and minorities,” said Charles Hey, another Puerto Rican student.Clearly, she is passionate in the issue of racial preferences. MacDonald and White Nationalists in general have a good reason to dislike her, but why on Earth he has to involve us, the Jews, in this bloody dispute? Doesnt he understand that by doing so he is forcing me and others like me to pray for the lesser evil, which is not Prof. MacDonald?
At Yale Law School, she was co-chairman of a group for Latin, Asian and Native American students — a catchall group for nonblack minorities. There she led fellow students in meetings with the dean to push for the hiring of more Hispanic faculty members at the law school. And, friends say, she shared the alarm of others in the group when the Supreme Court prohibited the use of quotas in university admissions in its 1978 decision Regents of the University of California v. Bakke.
As a lawyer, she joined the National Council of La Raza and the board of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense Fund, two Hispanic civil rights groups that advocate for vigorous affirmative action. As a judge, she has repeatedly argued for diversity on the bench by alluding to the insights she gleaned from her Latina background.
In one of the cases dealing with the subject that she helped decide on the federal appeals court, Ricci v. New Haven, she ruled in favor of the city’s ’s decision to discard the results of an exam to select firefighters for promotion because too few minority firefighters scored high enough to advance. White firefighters who had scored well on the discarded test sued, and the Supreme Court heard arguments on the case in April.
Addenda: Why I think Sonia Sotomayor should not be US Supreme Judge. Although female Judges are known in Jewish history and religion, in general we dont favour putting women in positions of power over men, and specially old spinsters with no sex and family lives. They tend to be embittered, vengative and sadistic.
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Obama is more dangerous to Jews than MacDonald. I think you'd have to live in a part of America that's already been destroyed by anti-white politics to understand just how bad things are here, and that there is no obvious choice between Obama and MacDonald.
In Obama's world, Jews are the ultimate whites. The Jews in his cabinet are not pro-Jewish, they're multiculti hacks.
MacDonald has said publicly that he'd support Israel if American Jewish organizations like the ADL would stop trying to destroy America as a white nation. I believe him on this, despite his exaggerations and dishonest scholarship.
Also, many pro-white people know as well as you and I that MacDonald overstates his case. I have some pro-white allies on the internet who are sincere in coexisting peacefully with Jews, as long as we respect their right to a white majority in America.
So, the choice isn't between Obama and MacDonald, it's between people who hate Jews because they're white, and people who are willing to accept Jews as fellow whites, as long as we act like fellow whites.
In my opinion, most white gentiles think that most Jews are partners in the creation and enjoyment of Western Civilization.
I agree with latte island, there is a huge threat to the Jews now in what used to be called "the West", but it is not coming from the whites.
Anon.
Salut!
"...the one who will oppose our enemies."
And who are Your enemies?
Caucasoid(whites) are dying out,the same to Mongoloid(east and now south-east Asians)!
So in future probably in mono-racial(ethnic) world,Israelis will not have enemies;)
Anon,
As always, you make me reflect. Were I fifty years younger, I would say you are absolutely right. But old people keeps fighting the last war's battles. MacDonald follows the line of traditional antisemitism, I recognize him as a clear danger. Regarding Muslim immigrants in the West, they are something very new, and I wonder for how long they will be tolerated. Historically, Western peoples are very intolerant. The think the current "saint-like" tolerance is an atypical and temporary irregularity. Something needs to happen to trigger the natural intolerance of European peoples. I estimate that a Muslim barbarity against Jews in Europe (say a synagogue massacre) will suddently liberate the accumulated hostility against Muslim immigrants. Muslims have no idea what goes on in the dark depths of the Germanic soul. They never heard about Furia Germanica.
n
Ditto everything Latte Island said. MacDonald is dishonest, but I regard him as much more of a -phobe than a -hater. His offer is stained by his paranoia but it may be real.
In any case, you really can't compare the influence of a single college professor to a President and a Supreme Court Justice. MacDonald is just some guy, really ... too weird for the non-Judeophobes to really relate to, and too genteel for the neo-Nazis to really warm to. Forget him. Derbyshire bested him and that is that.
The main reason I'm chiming in as to emphasize my demographic distance from the Jewish Islam-critical right. I don't even know any Jews since I moved to the countryside. Never been to Israel. I'm openly pro-white, which makes me anathema to the ADL, most Jewish professors, and pretty much all Jewish journalists.
And yes, J, I have thought the same dark thing as in your third-to-last sentence ... it may take another Munich to shock Europe out of its Muslims-are-harmless-at-worst stupor. I hope it takes the form of a foiled plot rather than a successful one, but at we saw with the NYC synagogues plot, a foiled plot may be treated as "bogus" by the leftist media. Check it out at Kvetcher.net.
Seriously, leftist journalists, whether they're named Goldfarb or Rosenstein or not, are a huge threat to Western civilization. Anything the NYC states, beyond "water is wet" and "oranges are orange", is immediately suspect, and most one-paper-town newspapers are about that bad.
I do not dismiss MacDonald as too gentle to have real influence. Obviously, university professors do not have mass appeal, but society changes as consequence of ideas, and MacDonald is an ideologue. He must be taken very seriously.
I think there is a real potential for a racist eruption among European peoples. Only draconic repression is maintaining peace in the UK and Germany. I think some Muslim atrocity against Jews (or a Christian church) could suddenly liberate all the steam against the immigrants. Not that the European masses love Jews, they dont, but they will not tolerate Muslim attacks against "their" native Jews. Or against Christian symbols like cathedrals.
Take MacDonald seriously, by all means. It's sort of tedious, really, to wade through his stuff. Jobling has done it, a little. I myself don't bother; I'd rather build a small, stable compromise position on Israel and hope that it grows like a crystal.
Seems to me that Jewish and gentile leftism is like a termite infestation, slowly turning Western civilization into sawdust. Society does indeed change as a consequence of ideas, but MacDonald is neither as influential, nor as hostile to Israel, as Noam Chomsky is. While "Jewish ethnocentrism" keeps MacD awake at night, "white ethnocentrism" keeps Choms awake. The pathological fear of white ethnocentrism is simply much more contagious because it is easier to package as "progressive", whereas nobody thinks bad dreams about the scary Jew who lives under the bed are progressive any more.
My point is, don't let concerns about Judeophobia become a distraction. Sotomayor will be the sixth Roman Catholic on a court with two Jews and a Forgotestant. Protestants have been dropped from Supreme Court nominations because most are either too liberal on abortion to be acceptable to the Republicans, or too anti-evolution to be acceptable to the educated mainstream. Catholics, with their anti-abortion pro-evolution thing, are just the ticket, but it hasn't prevented Jews from getting 22% of the seats on the court.
He must be taken very seriously.
That's true.
But, politically speaking, you are setting up a false choice.
The main choice in America is between Republican conservatism and Obama's far leftism.
You could oppose both MacDonald and Obama while at the same time supporting American conservatives. Both MacDonald and Obama are bad news, but for obviosly different reasons.
One other thing,
"MacDonald has said publicly that he'd support Israel if American Jewish organizations like the ADL would stop trying to destroy America as a white nation. I believe him on this, despite his exaggerations and dishonest scholarship."
Latte, MacDonald engaged in extensive academic fraud when he wrote CofC (Google "Kevin MacDonald" and David Lieberman) by intentionally lying about his sources and using bogus scholariship such as the forged Lazar Kaganovich "biography" Wolf of the Kremlin.
If he has engaged in such extensive lying then how on earth can you trust anything he says?
His word is shit, and he knows his current career is a lie despite all of his tedious, self serving, self-righteousness.
Trust nothing he says.
It is funny how the people sniping at MacDonald don't have anything to offer in terms of a point-by-point critique of his scholarship.
Just accuse him of being an antisemite without proof and let the groupthink pour in to make you feel better.
That goes for the link to Ian Jobling above, too, who only offers a collection of straw-men arguments and a reading of Kevin MacDonald that indicates he has a sophomoric and inaccurate understanding of his scholarly works.
The irony of a Jew making these sorts of statements about Kevin MacDonald is that it bolsters his core arguments about ethnocentrism and Jewish activism...
I have nothing to say about his scholarship. Coming from "hard sciences", I think his method based on anecdotes and quoting literature, without any numerical or statistical work, is extreemely weak, unscientific and worthless, but on the other hand, I understand that the method he applies is standard in his academic field. In summary, I am not qualified to dismiss his scholarship.
For a long time I too thought he was a bona fide academic resarcher, but the constant harping on Jewish faults and badness, his monstruous accumulation of historic antisemitic slanders (he went back 2000 years to find something condemning the Jews), his unceasing writing on the badness of contemporary Jews, creates the impression that everything bad in America and the world today is directly related to Jewish pruposeful actions. His oeuvre has one theme alone and it is Jews Jews Jews, and the overall cumulative effect is massive agitation against Jews. His last article deals with the promotion of Sotomayor by President Obama, that is, how the Jews did it. For me it is quite obvious that Obama and Sotomayor are twin souls and Obama had no need of any Jewish directive to choose her. Supposing that he follows some secret cabal's orders, which is ridiculous. Sotomayor is Obama's alter ego, both will defend racial preferences to death. It is obvious. Except for MacDonald.
About Jewish ethnocentrism, I am a proud Jew and I think it is legitimate for me and for any other human group to be aware and proud of itself. Jewish ethnocentrism is not against someone other's ethnocentrism, it is a natural thing that everyone is born with. I have nothing against American Blacks working for their own collective advancement, or American Germans cultivating their folklore and traditions and defending their interests, that is how the world is. My project manager in Nigeria was a lawyer who was sent to study to Oxford (in colonial times) by his tribe, as the tribe's elders (in Benin area) decided that it would be in the tribe's advantage to have British lawyers. And they taxed themselves to finance his studies, which was a real sacrifice. Ethnocentrism is good and legitimate. Also for Jews.
Dear Emily Litella:
MacDonald didn't call Sotomayor a Jewess. He was talking about Elena Kagan.
Latte, MacDonald engaged in extensive academic fraud when he wrote CofC (Google "Kevin MacDonald" and David Lieberman) by intentionally lying about his sources and using bogus scholariship such as the forged Lazar Kaganovich "biography" Wolf of the Kremlin.
If he has engaged in such extensive lying then how on earth can you trust anything he says?The height of irony. MacDonald did not use "Wolf of the Kremlin". You're lying. How can we believe anything else you say? We can surely disregard your accusation that MacDonald "lied" -- can't we?
Like Robert Lindsay, you are drawing a strict between ethnocentrism and bigotry. That is all well and good and I think, in general, terms should be used with great precision so we can distinguish a good thing from a bad thing that it could be mistaken for.
What I'd like to know is, is the line between ethnocentrism and bigotry drawn in a different place for whites than it is for everyone else? I sense a completely different standard for different skin colors. I sense a strong analogy between MacDonald railing about Jewish hyperethnocentrism and Justin Raimondo calling white nationalism a sellout to the politics of Al Sharpton.
Of course, I can't quite prove it. Raimondo doesn't say exactly what it is about white nationalism he can't stand, other than to repeat weird claims about whites never having been oppressed by non-whites. But I strongly suspect that "nationalism" is just his term for open, organized ethnocentrism (as we have seen, overt supremacism isn't required to raise his ire - he sees supremacists under every bed).
It is the successful minorities who are not allowed to cultivate their folklore or defend their interests. Raimondo and MacDonald are just focussed on different minorities.
Dear Ben
Of course Prof. Kevin MacDonald did not call Sonia Sotomayor a Jewess. He is not an ignorant nor an idiot. He is subtle and poisonous.
He just insinuated that Sotomayor was something of a Jewish puppet and that the Jewish conspiracy (the one that rules America and the rest of the world, you surely know) had put her where she is for the devious purpose of forwarding diabolical Jewish plans of domination.
His current article in the Occidental is the second one on the same subject. The day before appeared an other article on a Jewish candidate. MacDonald was sure that she was going to be nominated and wrote extensively about how the Jewish conspiracy etc. etc. Afte it became clear that President Obama had passed over the Jewish candidate and chose the Porto Rican one, MacDonald hurried to write this second article explaining - not his error - but that Sotomayor IS the REAL candidate of the Jewish co-conspirators. I would laugh if this person MacDonald were not slandering and defamating the Jewish people so badly.
He is very clever. He never slanders anyone except the Jews. He never attacks Latinos nor Black Americans, so it is possible that Sotomayor will not deem him racist enough to abolish his teaching position and/or send him to jail.
"The irony of a Jew making these sorts of statements about Kevin MacDonald is that it bolsters his core arguments about ethnocentrism and Jewish activism..."
MacDonald LIED about psychological research he claims proves Jews are "hyperethnocentric".
The little research he cited in Culture of Critique as evidence of Jewish "hyperethnocentrism" shows that Jews are no more ethnocentric than any other group.
If the case against the Jews is so strong, why does MacDonald have to resort to academic fraud? Why don't you email him and ask your hero to rebut the below essay, you Nazi dipshit?
Jews Race Empire.
Dear Ben t:
I'm not home right now, but I will call you back as soon as possible. Just leave your name, number and what time you called after you hear the sound of the Jeep
Jews Race Empire
Doesn't he understand that by doing so he is forcing me and others like me to pray for the lesser evil, which is not Prof. MacDonald?
I get your point, that gentile anti-Semitism drives Jews into the arms of the US Democratic party. But the reverse is true that Semitic liberalism causes anti-Semitism among conservatives. Although in fairness a lot of the people who hate the Jews don't really need a reason, and would do so anyway even if Jews were conservative.
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There is a lot of anti-Semitism on the web, with a lot of it tracing back to David Duke (Stormfront) and from there back to George Lincoln Rockwell. Duke's organization is descended from GLR's organization, separated by a few intermediate organizations. One of these intermediate organizations wrote the widely distributed essay Who Rules America.
The Koran confirmed the Torah and condemned the Talmud. The Koran confirms the Gospel and condemned the Trinity. Jesus condemned the Talmud and the followers of the Talmud, the Pharisees. The Sunni/Shia sectarian Islam introduced a Talmudic scripture(oral traditions) and they abandoned the Koran. Only the Koran speaks for Muhammad and only the Gospel speaks for Jesus.
What did the Koran say about the Torah and Gospel:
http://www.conflictingviews.com/religion/all-religions/koran-says-torah-gospel-not-corrupted-3324.html
Did the Koran really say Jesus was not crucified:
http://religiousroundtable.blogspot.com/2007/07/crucifixion-and-quran.html
Why the Judaic and Christian orthodoxies can not accept the Koran? It's Jesus stupid!
http://www.interfaith.org/forum/why-judaism-and-christianity-reject-10926.html
Kevin Macdonald is right about many things. He blames the Torah while I blame the Talmud. He does speak of the Talmud also. But many of the things he says is true and it looks like the Jewish mask is falling in America. However we should not condemn all Jews but I do believe that American of European origins are not allowed to have an ethnic identity as others and this is wrong. I am not European, far from it, but I do not believe their history is any more brutal or racist than other nations like Babylon, Rome or the Pharoah of Egypt or even Persia for that matter.
But to understand the Jewish activist behavior you need to read Kevin Macdonald's book and to know its sources you need to read the Talmud. Sunni Islam is very similar to Judaism, both have dual revelations. The written scripture and the oral traditions which in many ways ABROGATES the written scripture. Neither Muhammad or any of his companions left any text but the Koran. The oral tradition in Islam is known as the Sunnah and it is that that the so called Shariah law is made from. There is nothing called Shariah law or Islamic state in the Koran. The Sunnah was compiled 2 centuries after Muhammad.
Koran is peace!
Mohamed: I dont get your point. Could you clarify?
"Jewish ethnocentrism is not against someone other's ethnocentrism..."
Oh J. That's rich.
And this Jude fellow is a great addition. I particularly like the ALL CAPITALS in his comments. Emphatic. Blustery. Outraged. A personality type I've encountered once or twice, usually in "discussions" like this.
You're all correct - history teems with examples of mild professors bringing down entrenched racial groups. Jews aren't ethnocentric at all. Nor do they have anything to to with anything in the world today.
By at least the third page, Lieberman is filling the role of hack - the defamatory adjectives, the easily constructed and lighted strawmen, the obfuscation, the misrepresentation, the little "quotes" we all love to use (scare quotes he calls them, when talking about his subject), the flip summaries, the sneering, the mockery. It's all so predictable that it's boring at this point. I wish it would reach the stage of laughter already, instead of the outrage MacDonald and his conservative cronies still display.
Seriously, this blather by Lieberman could've been written by any SPLC shill. It's replete with the dreaded buzzwords we've all come to fear and sneer at, meant to evoke the predictable bogeyman of the looming Aryan, ready to devour the world. Ugh.
So continue to invoke this rebuttal as something worthwhile, Jude and others. I guess it makes you feel good. As for the rest of us, we can get the same thing poring over old Lenny Bruce routines.
history teems with examples of mild professors bringing down entrenched racial groups. Jews aren't ethnocentric at all. Nor do they have anything to to with anything in the world today.
(a) Regarding history: Ideas are powerful. It is simplistic to think that only those shouting hysterically at uniformed mass rallies are dangerous.
(b) Jew are ethnocentric as everybody else. All the ethnias are in competition with each other all the time. Even pregnant women compete with their fetuses for resources. Most of the time peace rules, coalitions rule, Earth is large and there is enough for everyone. The Land of Israel is ours.
(c) We Jews are very active and more effective than most. Say a quarter of of Nobel Prizes goes to Jews. But still three quarters go to White, non-Jewish Europeans. We are significative, but far from being "all" or even dominant. Europeans can manage well without us, as MacDonald pointed out. Conclusion: Symbiosis is feasible and achievable.
To get my point all you have to do is read Bernard lazare's piece about anti-semitism. He was one of the founder of the zionist movement but he put the blame for many Jewish misfortunes on not only the European gentile and his prejudices but also the Talmud and its influence on Jewish life and attitudes. The Talmud was a later innovation introduced to Judaism and now has become the dominant religious theme in Jewish life.
It plays the same role as the hadith plays in Sunni Islam and in many ways abrogates the Koran. Kevin Macdonald focusses too much in ethnocentrism and neglects to a certain degree religious teachings. He got that Darwinist influence in him. I am not against the zionist movement and I do not see anything wrong with Jews and Arabs living together in fact I think they would make a good couple. But I think that Muslims and Jews should return to the written scriptures.
Sunni Islam was a later invention and the excessive legalism in Islam is due to the innovation introduced called the hadith(oral tradition). It made Islam extremely isolationist and hostile towards other religious persuasions and even aborogated many Koranic verses. They introduced the concept of offensive Jihad, Shariah law, apostasy law and rigid standard rituals and called other monotheist as infidels and forbade Muslim women marrying them and even forbade Muslims burying their dead in their cemetries. Thats why the Jews and Muslims have assimilation problems but one thing I admit is that the Jews tried to downplay that but its slowly beginning to show for many Americans. Muslims also have dual loyalty problems but to understand that you need to understand the role the oral traditions plays in Islam at least as it is practiced by most Muslims.
Whew. We Gentiles are really fucked. LOL.
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