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Yes, but the settlement was destroyed by the Jewish state, which is even more Jewish. Why does Netenyahu even order such suffering? Really, for this Jews voted Likud, to see their government harm Jews? And before this Sharon chose to evacuate Lebanon and expel settlers from their homes. The entire Israeli right seems a clone of the Left. How very American. Ughhh.
The destruction of the settlements is done as a sacrifice to the sanguinary lions of the American left aka Barack Obama. The Israeli government expects to satisfy the thirst for blood of the American left and thus save the most important settlements.
Why doesn't the Israeli government simply refuse? As far as I can tell you don't live in the American Mandate of Palestine, and therefore there is no colonial governor ordering the army and police to do this. Why not just say no?
Why? You are not aware of the immense power of the United States. Eleven battle groups patrol the seas. American military bases in Saudi Arabia, in Iraq, in Bahrain, in Turkey, everywhere. America is in recession, but the rest of the world goes hungry to bed. No one wants to oppose the United States, and little Israel less than the any one. The internet is full of vacuous chatter, but the fact is that America is the world's sole serious player.
All due sympathies to the settlers, I think the deep territory settlements and illegal outposts undermine Israel's international legitimacy, so long as it is seen as an occupying power. Israel must draw an eastern border and exclude the Palestinian population from its control, before demographics legitimate the choice between a one-state solution and an apartheid pariah.
What happened to David and Goliath?What happened to the Zionist lobby in the United States?Hell, what happened to the belief that you are God's chosen?Why the hell is this meme(?) about America the invincible suddenly spreading after the election of Obama? Did the whole world suddenly wake up the day after this congoid was elected or is the media really the whore to power I always thought it is?
The Israelis will soon learn, if they have not already learned, to make pseudo-sacrifices with a great show of public anguish. There wil need to be a great many of these. Can they pull it off?Anon.
Dear Anon,You presume that destroying a settlement is a pseudo-sacrifice. It is not. In Gaza there were thousands of people living more than 30 years in well established settlement, with a very successful and profitable economy. They supplied most of Europe's winter fresh produce, tomatoes, flowers, etc. Thousands of Palestinians were employed. Most of the people whose homes and businesses were destroyed cannot adapt to Israel and have moved to Ethiopia and other countries. The rest survives in camps like zombies. These are real people, they have real homes, they have built real businesses, their children and greatchildren were born there. They feel, as I do, a deep conection to the biblical history of the place. Up to now, the Israeli secret police has succeeded in infiltrating and controlling any resistance organization, but at one point the police itself could get "infected" and convinced that the land is ours. We are talking about serious people, with families, not given to pseudo-sacrificing themselves.
Up to now, the Israeli secret police has succeeded in infiltrating and controlling any resistance organization, but at one point the police itself could get "infected" and convinced that the land is ours. We are talking about serious people, with families, not given to pseudo-sacrificing themselves.I remember a minister mentioning that there have been several failed attempts to blow up the Mosque that sits on the Temple Mount. The minister stated that some of these plots had gone pretty far up the chain of command in the police and the army. Most of the people whose homes and businesses were destroyed cannot adapt to Israel and have moved to Ethiopia and other countries.Wow.
Your minister is better informed than the Israeli public. We hear only rumors. On the other hand, there are serious preparations to rebuild the Temple destroyed by Titus and to re-establish the cult there. The Red Cow is being bred for the purification of the land. The Priests garments are being studied and designed. What textile plants were used and how they were done? What were the stones on the Priest's breast plate? What were the Urim and Tummim? Exactly how large is a cubit of the Bible? There are people dreaming here, you would not believe it how seriously. I am not one of them.
you are an extream right racist Asafsuf! . It's because of people like you that the world see israel as a racist,colonialistic apartaid state , and that the world will eventually turn to the one state soluting. If israel exist for people like you to fufill their ethnocentric Fascist ideas then there is no moral legitimization for us having a jewish state .
Dear Ido,You feel that you have no right to be alive except if the world gives you its permission. You believe countries and nations exist because the world gave them their seal of legitimacy approval. I have lived most of my life in countries other than Israel and never, but never, no one even thought that they have to ask permission from "the world" to exist. They would have considered any mention of such a strange idea as insulting. So dear Ido brother, in this solemn opportunity I assume the powers of universal moral judgment and grant you the right to exist. You are, as from this moment, legitimate. Therefore, you can stop worrying about such issues as if "the world" thinks if you have legitimate rights or not. You can start now to build and strenghten your own country. Do it! בקיצור, בהזדמות זאת הנקתי לך זכות קיום וליגיטימיות מלאה, ומהרגע הזה עליך להפסיק לדואג מה העולם חושב אם בכלל. מרגע זה אתה זכאי וחייב לבנות ולחזק את המולדתך.קדימה היהודי
J, I did not make my point properly. I completely appreciate the pain and destruction when a genuine settlement is dismantled. I had in mind a sort of Potemkin Village program, in reverse, so to speak.Anon.
1. Your minister is better informed than the Israeli public.The man was a very serious Israelphile. (Israelophile?) 2. I am not one of them.I take it you prefer a secular state. 3. Not only do most states not need permission to exist, most were denied such permission and they still fought to establish themselves. Most of the time no one cares, although Isreal seem to be the exception.
Dear Anon,I work a lot in Yehuda and Samaria (also in Jerusalem but I dont like that city) and in my opinion it is dangerous (the natives are hostile) but what the hell! In God we Trust. Come and see!I have never met any Potemkin village there. It wouldnt work with Jews. We have the fanatics of Peace Now who photograph everything and send (without being asked) detailed reports to the United States, the UN, the Hague Court and to the Hamas about other Jew's wrongdoings. Also the Government is a coalition of competing parties and would love publicly to embarrass the other side. They hate each other so passionately that they would collaborate with the Roman Army in destroying the Temple (as they did). The settlement movement is spontaneous and has an internal dynamics. The younger people involved compete for leadership, which is acquired by means of heroic acts. In this case, opposing the Government and moving to dangerous "outposts" with wife and kids. Once there they realize that they have to feed their families and seek out ways to make money in that desolate hills. They study the Bible and see that ancient Jews became very prosperous by exporting olive oil, wine, perfumes, books, etc. to the goyim. Nowadays there are very serious businesses up there on those mountains. Potemkin villages were for stupid imperatrices, hilltop settlements are the real thing. I was connected to the development of Sinai and Gaza sand settlements from the very beginning, and it pains me they were destroyed. A human tragedy, right, but what particularly pains me is to see the wonderful high tech export agriculture that was developed there, based on very low quality brackish contaminated waters, to see all those hothouses destroyed and converted in Hamas training grounds. The Arabs convert paradise into a desert. Where they put down the foot the grass grows no more.
How did they convert low quality brackish contaminated waters to potable ones?
okay, reverse osmosis. this is fairly common now, but i guess it was not at the time.
Brackish water then had lower salt concentration than current pumped water in Gaza. They have ruined the water quality, by overpumping mostly. Brackish water was not desalted, but tomato varieties and others were developed that liked salty water. Innovative irrigation systems were developed that made possible the use of brackish water: for example, drip irrigation in sandy soils. And so on. No miracles, but small improvements. It is all gone now. Yamit, a luminous whitewashed village on the Mediterranean, was converted into a Soweto shanty town. Terrible. Zimbabwe is here, one hour drive from Tel Aviv.
I guess, J, what I was trying to say, in a rather laborious fashion, was that Obama's administration will likely demand some sort of a sacrifice from Israelis, especially with respect to the Settlements; and, if so (and it will be so), then the rational response would be to select lower priority or even fictitious settlements for "removal", with an exagerated emotional response. However, from what you are saying, it will not be possible to execute this maneuvre, with your own people monitoring you all the time.The world knows about the ability to "make the desert bloom", by the way.Anon.
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