Prof. Kevin MacDonald was interviewed in an online radio show called Radio Free Mississippi. In the hour-or-so interview that aired last month, (see link), MacDonald explained that Whites will become a minority in America in thirty years, and predicted a future that was "very dangerous for whites," where they'd be "at the mercy of other people" with "historical grudges" against whites. As that future nears, Whites will feel increasingly in danger and seek protection among their own. In short, they will become White Nationalists. That is a historical inevitability, according to MacDonald.
I think it will not happen. It did not happen in Brasil, not in Saudi Arabia, not in Jamaica not in Costa Rica nor other places where the Whites imported cheap labor and became a minority. The people is imported to fill the lower strata of society and they are never allowed to challenge average whites. On the contrary, the creation of an underclass lifts the relative position of the poorer whites to the middle class, and certainly makes their lives much more comfortable. As I see the future of America, different ethnic groups will negotiate a kind of peaceful co-existence, and Africans will be where they had always been and the Mexicans will dissolve into the great mass of mixed-blood proletarians which already exists. Spanish will be forgotten, they will convert to Protestantism and their children will be called Scott and Taylor.
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I agree with your analysis re: Mexicans. The US is called the graveyard of languages - all the great immigrant languages - German, Yiddish, Italian, etc. are virtually unknown by the 3rd generation.
My wife's mother met a woman of Mexican descent (a 1st generation American) when their husbands were both in the Army in WWII and they remained friends. We visited her in California a couple of years ago and she showed us the pictures of her grandchildren (like any good grandmother) and just as you predicted they had good American names and even somehow thru the magic of gene mixing had red hair and green eyes and no longer even resembled Mexicans (though the grandmother had typical Mexican mixed race Spanish- Indian features). My wife's brother married a shiksa and sure enough his children (who were nevertheless bar mitzvahed at some liberal synagogue with a woman rabbi) look like little Hitler -Jugend with blond hair and blue eyes.
"Scott" reminds me of a joke. You have to understand that there has been in recent years something of a return to old-fashioned names for Jewish babies - Samuel, Jacob, Rachel, Sarah, etc. A Jewish grandmother is showing another pictures of her grandson. She says "his name is Schlomo - he is named for his grandfather, Scott."
K
I do not entirely agree with your analysis. Thanks to automation, 4-5% unemployment will never be seen again and so immgration is not as justified as it used to be. Many white people would gladly do the jobs performed by immigrants-especially in the current economic climate. Immigration does not necessarily make whites move into the middle class-it simply makes them unemployed. Middle class jobs are being outsourced or automated. This wasn't the case in the past but it certainly is today.
Multicultural empires such as the Roman and Byzantine empires collpased and were adminstrative nightmares near their end. Consider the austro-hungarian empires and Yugoslavia (also consider how close they were genetically). The situations in South Africa and Rhodesia do not support your argument. Saudi Arabia will collapse once the oil dries out. Jamaica (has a very high crime rate) is protected somewhat by its commonwealth status but this will stop someday and all hell will break loose. Brazilian politics will eventually resemble those of south Africa and undergo decivilisation.
Decivilization.
As someone who has observed the white retreat in four countries, at close quarters, I can only say that "decivilization" describes it exactly and absolutely.
"Decivilization"-you gotta love it.
Anon.
Anon.
"the creation of an underclass lifts the relative position of the poorer whites to the middle class, and certainly makes their lives much more comfortable."
Let them eat cake.
In reality, what happened in places like California is that downwardly mobile whites and blacks were displaced because of downward pressure on wages and racist Mexican gangs infesting their neighborhoods and schools.
Let me put it to you in terms you'll understand. It was just like having all of the Palestinians move into Israel permanently to compete for lower class Jewish jobs.
Lower class whites did not magically become smarter and more educated to get software engineering jobs when the Mexicans moved in. They were displaced.
Good point, PRCalDude. I really can't bear it when the elites say that these immigrants do the jobs that the natives won't do. One hears of people with college degrees trying to find menial work to tide them over financially. It's not just the lower class whites looking for this type of work now. It's a shame what has happened to California-though I'm not sure how things will play out in the end. Things could change although my expectations aren't the best. A once great state was essentially being sacrificed to fulfill the irrational left-wing dreams of a political elite.
"It's a shame what has happened to California-though I'm not sure how things will play out in the end."
I don't either. Right now, Los Angeles county is a Jewish elite and a Mexican underclass, with a smattering of Armenians thrown in around the san gabriel valley.
There is no evidence whatsoever for what this guy is saying. The middle class whites disappeared in Los Angeles county, where there are the most Mexicans outside of Mexico City.
The lesson, for white people who are complacent, is that it is very possible for whites to lose territory involuntarily, and never get it back.
The pro-immigration lobby (in Europe and in the USA) understand this very well, and white retreat has to be the thing that is motivating them, or at the very least, something that bothers them not at all.
As the obvious disadvantages for whites become more and more difficult to hide, we must expect the mainstream media to become more and more mendacious, and more and more determined to decouple the white elite from white middle and lower classes. White identity is an obvious focal point for media/liberal hatred, just a they promote the identities of everybody else at our expense.
The question is, whether the anaesthetising effect of money on the white elite is going to be stronger than ethnic loyalty. I bet it will be, for a long time yet, but not forever.
Anon.
What "white elite"? I hate to break it to you, but the battle is over. My son attends an Ivy League U., one of the incubators of the future "White Elite", the feeder for Wall Street banks, etc.. The enrollment there is maybe 1/3 Jewish, 25% Asian, 20% black and Hispanic. When you add this all up, the real minority are White Protestants. For those White Protestants who are there, they view this as the "normal" state of things. I think there was more anti-Semitism in my time there when the WASPs were still the majority and felt that they still had some hope of setting the cultural tone. Nowadays American teens emulate rappers and black athletes. In what field do WASPs still set the tone? Presidential politics? Science? Music? Sports? None of the above.
K
We fight the wars.
Anon.
I thought that the Scots-Irish are the White group that disproportionately serve in the armed forces. Traditionally, the term WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant)does not include them.
Salut,
Anon K,
"...maybe 1/3 Jewish..." Hmmm aren't Ashkenazi and middle eastern and north African "jews" Caucasoid(white) or are they Mongoloid,or Negroid?
"Nowadays American teens emulate rappers and black athletes"
So in couple years "jews" will lock and be "black" ?
Dear K
"..American teens emulate rappers and black athletes.."
This is very superficial and does not include, for the vast majority of teenagers, involve serious drug taking, gun violence or spinning around on the ground while grabbing their crotches.
Most American white youths end up, in my experience, pretty much absorbing and living the values of their parents.
The ones who really go off the rails, morally, are the ones who end up on Wall Street; and amongst these, as you so carefully point out, are only a minority of WASPS.
Anon.
"I thought that the Scots-Irish are the White group that disproportionately serve in the armed forces. Traditionally, the term WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant)does not include them.
Scottish are traditionally Presbyterian. It doesn't get much more protestant.
Nevertheless, he's right. 70% of the combat death of the past 10 years have been white, while the age cohort of enlisted men fighting in this country is maybe only 50-60% white. Blacks traditionally avoid combat arms MOSs. Jews are horribly underrepresented in the combat deaths as they almost never enlist, though they are overrepresented in the officer ranks. As an aside, I never met a Jewish officer from a Jewish area - it was always from goyish areas.
For all intents and purposes, it is "(us) fighting the wars."
And that needs to stop.
And K, some of those minorities (not the Jews, to be sure)are only at the Ivy League because of reverse discrimination, and which occurs particularly at the expense of WASPs who are in fact being discriminated against, in one of the most egregious and unjust exercises in true racism in America (and, increasingly, the West as a whole).
Would you guys put up with this? I don't think so.
Anon.
"Scottish are traditionally Presbyterian. It doesn't get much more protestant."
But that still doesn't meet the "Anglo-Saxon" part of the WASP formulation. I don't think that E. Digby Baltzell, who coined the term "WASP," intended to include the Scots-Irish under its umbrella.
For what it's worth, despite being an American Ashkenazi, I would be happy to see less military engagement by U.S. troops overseas and a generally more isolationist foreign policy (including eliminating foreign aid for Israel). I also dread the eventual majority minority composition of the U.S. But I'm a nobody to whom no one listens.
Let's not split hairs. The Scots-Irish are WASPs in everyday usage of the term.
There is a massive international effort under way to undermine the concept of white ethnicity. The engineers of this effort will find, to their extreme discomforture, that this was a strategic error of industrial proportions; just one result is that we are now perfectly on track to lose Europe forever, for Judeo-Protestant civilization. South Africa has already been lost; in both Europe and SA, Jews, and other whites are no longer made to feel welcome (to put it mildly)and are leaving. It's a fact, and I regret it bitterly.
Both SA and Europe are full of vitriolic, state-sponsored little WHITE fascists persecuting anyone who stands up for white security and Western Civilization (the two are inseparable, see Zimbabwe). Look at the trial of Geert Wilders and how it is purposefully being ignored by our heroes, the western MSM.
And somebody has trained these Quislings to be like this, and rewards them with a little pat on the head, for their efforts to push their own people into extinction.
In a sensible place, like Israel, this would not be tolerated. We should not tolerate it either.
Anon.
Opposition to white racism is the de facto state religion of the US. It may be even worse than formally totalitarian PC states like Sweden and Germany since in the US the opposition to mass immigration and multicult has no public expression. No groups like Sweden Democrats or Pro Cologne exist-and something like the BNP would be unthinkable.
Every candidate for POTUS must pay homage to La Raza, NAACP and AIPAC or be considered a marginal kook.
Yes, it is not in the interest of the "white race" to support Israel, the only democracy and outpost of Western values in the Middle East. If US candidates "pay homage to AIPAC" (the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee) it is only so they will not be seen as racists. Not.
This is the problem with "white power" types. They have some legitimate points to make and they are in fact marginalized and seen as kooks by the mainstream, but then they say something outrageous, anti-Semitic, etc. and you see that the mainstream view of them is more correct than not - they are their own worst enemy.
Also it is the paranoid fantasy of bullies everywhere that they are only defending their own interests - if they beat you up, it is only because you were (they sense) just about to attack them and so they were justified in making a pre-emptive strike. The problem is that bullies see such attacks coming even when they are not.
K
But, K, these attacks are coming. Just visit the UK, just look at the statistics, just immerse yourself in the servile nature of the European MSM, ask yourself who is behind the rising tide of antisemitic attacks (not white extremists, I can assure you), listen to the BBC, watch the arrogance of the immigrants, etc, etc, etc. I wish it was paranoia, but I am very sad to have to report it is absolute reality. If you live exclusively in N America, you have NO idea how bad it has become,and how near we are to losing Europe.
Especially if you can understand compound interest, which I suspect you can.
Anon.
All well and good, but you haven't explained why it is necessary to raise the ancient canard that the Joos have some kind of hidden power?
I agree with you that on the whole I would rather put the fate of the Jews in the hands of ordinary white Americans, who on the whole have a favorable opinion of Jews and Israel, than I would put them in the hands of Jesse Jackson or some bunch of leftists. But this does not excuse anti-Semitism on the right either.
I maintain that the US helps Israel because it is in the interest of the US (even the "white people" of the US) to do so, to have at least one outpost of democracy in the Middle East, not because invisible AIPAC puppeteers are pulling the strings. Jews, like all other interest groups, are entitled to lobby their government and this does not make them some sort of 5th column.
K
K, there are several Anonymous's in this conversation.
My experience is that WASP's/Catholics tend to have varying degrees of awareness about Jews, which traverse the spectrum from pro to neutral to anti. There are, I think, fewer white anti's than you might fear, and a lot of unspoken admiration. Having said that, I do think there is a consciousness of difference, but the difference is, to my mind, something that comes freely and voluntarily from the Jews, who seem throughout history to have taken pains to maintain some level of distinctiveness, although not so much as would prevent successful participation in society at large. There is also an expectation that Jews will look after their own interests, but usually in a way that benefits us all (not an easy trick to pull off).
What I think fascinates most white nationalists is that Israel, as an entirely Jewish state, seems to be surviving-albeit tenuously-whereas the majority of white states are failing,or have failed, either literally (Rhodesia) or in the sense of being well on the road to a multi-cultural nightmare in which whites are beig dispossessed of their birthright (the UK).
The explanation is quite simple: a higher than average IQ amongst a fraction of the Jewish population, coupled with an absolute rocksolid determination to survive as a distict entity.
There is of course, no monopoly on these traits; but when whites exhibit them, they are ridiculed; a symptom of fear, no doubt, given the distressing events of the early- and mid-20th century.
But, and Europe here is more the test case, if whites are going to survive, along with our shared culture, we are going to have stop being so generous, naive and obsequious. And this should not automatically be confused with antisemitism.
Time to fight the next war, not the last one.
Anon.
Israel is not as "white" as you imagine. They have brought over a great # of Ethiopians who were supposedly "Jewish". Many of the Yemenite, Indian, etc. Jews are quite brown. The recent Russian Jewish influx has certainly whitened the mix, but it is tragic that once upon a time 40,000 extraordinarily intelligent Askenazi Jews were being gassed/shot somewhere in Europe every DAY and now they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for so call "Jews" to populate the state.
K
I agree, but "whiteness" is perhaps less important to the Jewish identity than it is to the identity of Europeans; although we too need to embrace many people from the southern Mediterranean littoral who are more brown than white in an actual physical sense, ie southern Italians, Spaniards, etc. And this is OK.
The question of who is a Jew is an interesting one that seems to occupy some space in the medical/genetic literature, and does not really depend on religeous conversion but more on heredity. But it is not for me to lecture you on that.
From our perspective, we were first 'instructed' that whiteness was really a state of mind and we should open our continent to any body willing to embrace our culture; then, as the reality hit home, that many immigrants do not have the slightest intention of embracing our culture, we were instructed to 'view all cultures as equal' and welcome them anyway; and the next stage, that our western culture is actually inferior to almost anybody else's, and we should actualy welcome the coming enslavement/extintion, is now starting to be shoved down our throats in a more and more open and brazen manner.
We are going to vomit, and in a truly spectacular way.
These forces you mention are also at work in Israel. I suspect you live in the USA, but anyone reading this in Israel, take heed and do not be suckered down the same road to perdition.
Anon.
I don't know what continent you are writing from. If you mean N. America, I am not concerned. American culture is a powerful vortex - the reach of Nike and Coca-Cola extends to the farthest corners of the globe. There are idiots who prattle on about La Raza and Azatlan blah, blah, blah but not mistake their rantings for reality. Their grandchildren will intermarry and dissolve into the great American mass whether they like it or not. Italians were once upon a time considered to be equally insoluble into the American melting pot but melt they did.
Europe is another story, for two reasons. One is that Islam (in its current form at least) does not lend itself to assimilation. The other is that the Europeans did not WANT their immigrants to be assimilated. Your are German by race so a Turk born in Germany is not a German, a Moroccan born in France is not really French.
K
"All well and good, but you haven't explained why it is necessary to raise the ancient canard that the Joos have some kind of hidden power?"
It's called "the Ashkenazi IQ." Google it. People obsessed with the Holocaust like yourself should be aware that Hitler stopped giving Jews IQ tests because they outperformed all the gentile Germans. On top of the IQ is a rabid Jewish ethnocentrism that the rest of us are expected not to notice. Funny, all the Mexicans I talk to notice it. Why can't we? It's really not a hidden power at all, unless it's hidden in plain sight.
"Their grandchildren will intermarry and dissolve into the great American mass whether they like it or not. Italians were once upon a time considered to be equally insoluble into the American melting pot but melt they did."
Talk about canards. I'd like to take you on a tour sometime. Italians didn't come from an anti-intellectual culture like the Mexicans and aren't 2/3 of a standard deviation stupider than the white mean. At the end of the day, it never mattered whether Italians assimilated or not because they weren't using up welfare like it was going out of style and weren't underperforming everyone else. Italians have a proud intellectual tradition that - let's face it - Mexicans do not have.
I wonder if you ever venture out of your Jewish ghetto to notice what everyone else in the United States experiences? Having lived in a Jewish ghetto, I think I know the answer.
K, assimilation will not happen in Europe, you are correct. But something far, far worse is happening: European subservience to immigrant "values", which are utterly opposed to traditional western values.
This is happening, first because of a peculiar form of 'folie a deux' known as political correctness (really a type of orchestrated, stealth Marxism which has badly backfired), secondly because the immigrants now form a sizeable portion of the electorate and can swing elections; and thirdly, I suspect, but cannot prove, because of bribery.
In the USA, you will find that mass immigration will also not be assimilable, and will drive your country to the left, which will in turn lead to ever more repulsive wealth 'redistribution' schemes, in which people like you pay for people like them and get squat in return.
In this way (as well as other ways), both Europe and the USA will be ruined.
We have to ask ourselves, very seriously: How and why this happened, and how to fix it. And then do it.
Anon.
Anon.
I remain optimistic concerning the US. We have seen that even in a relentlessly "blue" (BTW, very clever how the media disassociated the Democrat left from its historic association with the color red) state such as Massachusetts, there remain enough voters to throw the rascals out. In places where there are not, such as California, the rich will vote with their feet and produce the same result. The pronouncements a year ago that there has been some permanent shift to the left and that a majority now supported socialism so that the US could follow the shining path of Venezuela have proved to be premature. The US remains a fundamentally middle class country where even many of the less well off have middle class ambitions and values. This remains a mystery and disappointment on the left - why DON'T the workers of the world unite and throw off their chains? In the US because they don't see themselves as belonging to any distinct working (or non-working) class, even if they are "deluded" by "false consciousness".
K
I agree that many in the US have, and will continue to have middle class aspirations; it's just a question of who will pay for this lifestyle.
Obama is very keen that "rich" people (ie, people like you) will subsidise other people (third world immigrants, poor and/or lazy US citizens) to have this lifestyle, that they cannot or will not achieve for themselves.
So it is a question of earned vs re-distributed wealth.
But they never can learn the simple lesson: in a surprisingly short time, the wealth that they thought could be taken, ceases to become available. It walks away, or stops being created.
They always confuse money with wealth; the hallmark of the financially naive mind, and a delusion to which socialists like Obama are perenially vulnerable.
And Mugabe, his alter ego.
Anon.
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