The Greek Government is calling loudly for Germany to bail out Greece ... but what he won't say is that France has the largest exposure to Greek debt. That tells you many things you need to know about EU integration. There is no way Greece can pay its debtsm it has not enough working people for that. The Communist-led unions are demonstrating against sacrifices. Now Portugal and Spain are falling. Others will, too. This will end badly. The Euro itself has to be devalued to save the EU. But Germany will not allow it, rather will step out of the union. I would like to know what Soros, who knows European finances better than anyone, is doing.
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Meanwhile, your friend Dennis Mangan is blaming Jews for supporting illegal immigration into the US.
I found his note on Arizona's hardened attitude toward immigration quite parcial: he blames American Jews. I am not there but I think the people protesting and demonstrating are not American Jews, maybe I am wrong. Israel took no notice of the issue, it was Mexico that protested formally and publicly. I did notice a change in Mangan, hope is temporary.
If you read Mangan carefully on this, he is I think not using irresponsible or inflammatory language. I feel he is trying, rightly or wrongly, to keep it factual.
It is a reasonable discussion to have, but it's just part of the much bigger picture that is immigration in the USA (and Europe).
By the way, I see increasing Jewish alarm in Europe at immigration there; bit of cognitive dissonance with the USA??? Some of the rise in real anti-Semitic attacks in Europe is said to stem from immigrants from the Middle East. And I don't mean Jewish immigrants.
Anon.
From here I dont see that Mexican immigration to the USA is among the issues debated within the American Jewish community. They are upper middle class, and like that, they dont particularly care about Mexican illegal workers. At most it seems to me a marginal issue that they advocate only because their desired alliance with American Latinos, which are a big and growing political force.
European Jews are being subject to attacks by European Muslims (there is no point to call them immigrants, the young people was all born in Europe) and they are realizing that they have lost their post-Holocaust immunity. To Zionists like me it was only expectable. Life in the Diaspora is never easy or secure.
The question is whether Jews in Europe will align with white nationalists (under whom they would be more secure, albeit uncomfortable) or try to make nice with the pro-immigration Left (under whom they will face the next Catastrophe).
An uncomfortable choice, for sure, but (I would have thought) a no-brainer.
But what intrigues me is that in the USA, those who support dilution of white influence by flooding the country with immigrants, cannot seem to understand they are validating an analagous process in Europe which will lead to the destruction of their own people and a vastly more hostile attitude to Israel.
Smart? I don't think so...
Anon.
If only the right could outgrow its fondness for Third Reich sartorial fashion...
1. But on the Mexican issue it isn't just the Jews, as if they have some Demonic power on this issue. In any given federal election 40% of the White race in this country forms common cause with the coloreds to elect Democrats. Unless Jews comprise 40% of US Whites then we don't have an exclusively Jewish problem. Jewish influence makes liberal White gentiles feel better about themselves when they vote for the Democrats, but they aren't the sole cause.
2. Jews in Europe shouldn't be forming alliances with European nationalists, they should be moving to Israel. The general trend of European history for at least the last 200 years is that each national group in Europe gets its own territory and its own state. From this general trend sprung Jewish Nationalism (Zionism).
My personal sixpence' worth is that Israel should grow its own population endogenously and that European, North American and other Jews outside Israel should safeguard their populations by dispersal and not all be concentrated in one place.
Not my business, except to point out that Europe will be the poorer if it loses its Jewish population, just as German innovation has demonstrably suffered post WWII.
Anon.
Ronduck,
A significant number of (but certainly not all) Jews in Europe are so assimilated that they would hate living in Israel. One's ability to be totally secular there is hampered by the control of the Orthodox rabbinate over many areas of life (marriage, funerals, etc.). Israel's future is not necessarily rosy either. Given its neighbors, its internal Arab 5th column, its ever-growing population of regressive ultra-Orthodox Jews, and its world pariah status, I'm not sure that Richard Nixon's long-term assessment of the place wasn't right. For the record, I'm an American Jew.
Please, what was Richard Nixon's assessment? I dont remember it.
J,
A quote from p. 122 of The Death of the West (New York: St. Martin's Press, 2002), by Pat Buchanan:
"Golda Meir once said, Israel never had a better friend than Richard Nixon, who rescued her nation in the 1973 Yom Kippur War. But, the Richard Nixon the author recalls was not blind to the forces of history. He used to say, "A statesman must take the long view." In San Clemente once, after he hung up from a courtesy call from Yitzhak Rabin, a friend we had met in Israel days after the Six-Day War, my wife, Shelley, asked the ex-president what the prospects for Israel were.
'The long run?' Nixon responded. He extended his right fist, thumb up, in the manner of a Roman emperor passing sentence on a gladiator, and slowly turned his thumb over and down."
Of course, in the long run Israel would be fine if it could bring in a few more Jews from the diaspora.
Ronduck,
That is not at all true. Jewish numbers will always be dwarfed by the hostile surrounding Arabs. Israel is also a tiny, natural resource-poor state which could not sustain a huge population influx with any quality of life. The economy is sufficiently limited that plenty of college-degreed Ashkenazi immigrants would be driving taxis. And Israel's security and to some extent trading position depend on the presence of an influential diaspora to grease the wheels.
Anonymous, the first written reference to the Jewish people is in an Egyptian hierogliph where a king declares: "I fought the peoples of Canaan and Israel's seed is no more" or something to this effect. We have been declared walking dead since we exist. Israel is now 62 and giving no signs of going away. Countries are not eternal, but I presume Israel will continue for another century.
I keep coming back to this. They have to do both things: build up a very big local population in Israel, AND secure themselves with dispersal.
Not easy to do, in this age of female emancipation.
Anon.
We have been dispersed 2000 years. That's more than enough. Now is the time to coalesce into one body again.
1. Buchanan is a farbissene (bitter) anti-Semite and I would take anything he says with a big grain of salt. This was wishful thinking/projection on his part (and Nixon himself had certain anti-Semitic tendencies (as well as philo-Semitic - he was a complicated character)) Would he relate a similar anecdote that puts the long term survival of the Catholic Church in doubt? I doubt it (and at this point I would put the odds of Israel's survival ahead of those of the Church - Israel does not consist of a huge group of sterile child molestors and their enablers).
2. I think that "don't put all your eggs in one basket" is a good strategy for the survival of a people. The Jews were "lucky" that the Holocaust did not occur say a century earlier before large scale immigration to American and Palestine when 90% of the world's Jews were concentrated in Europe. If Auschwitz had been built in the 1840s instead of the 1940s (not that such a thing would have been possible at that time) there might not have been enough Jews left afterward for the race to survive.
K
2. The problem with justifying the Diaspora is that younger Jews are intermarrying at a 50% rate. Soon there won't be a Diaspora left because of rampant intermarriage, and once that happens all of the world's remaining Jews will be located in Israel.
Since it is almost inevitable that most of the world's remaining Jews will be located in Israel then the best strategy for Diaspora Jews who want to continue Judaism is to move to Israel in order to increase that country's population and prevent their children from intermarrying.
Ronduck,
In my extended family, there have been three intermarriages within the past twenty years, and all of the resulting children have been raised as Jews (minimally observant, like the rest of us). The published data relating to percentage of children of intermarriage raised Jewish are old and possibly do not reflect the situation on the ground.
What you propose might be a short-term "win" for those who really prioritize preserving Judaism, but it could be a disastrous long-term loss. Israel's numerous existential threats might one day succeed and end its existence along with a large proportion of the Jews therein. Anyway, a lot of us don't care that much about Judaism. Moving to a tiny pariah desert state in the Middle East is too high a price to ask.
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