Stop using your children as human shields, Interior Minister Eli Yishai said on Monday during a special Knesset session held to discuss the issue of granting permanent residency to children of illegal immigrants. There are 2 to 5 million Eritreans and Sudanis moving from the Red Sea coast towards Israel, with the idea of infiltrating the border and find a job here. About 100,000 have succeeded and granted refugee or temporary status; the rest are crowding in the Sinai frontier. Yesterday there was an obscure incident in Sinai, the beduins that guide them wanted more money, the Eritreans refused, the Beduins tied them (about 200 of them), they escaped and took the Beduin weapons and in the shootout half a dozen were killed. Many of them have formed families in Israel and there are tens of thousands of "illegal" children born in Israel. Jewish charities led by Sarah Netaniyahu are fighting to legalize the children (with their families). The only voice to stop the "invasion" is the Sepharadi Religious Party's leader Eli Yishay, who called the humanitarian liberals "fakes and hypocrites giving a public show" and said that they should visit the slums where these people reside.
The Ashkenazi political establishment is unanimously silent or crying out "we Jews cannot deport children". I always thought that we Ashkenazi Jews are the weakest link of the Jewish people, that the Spanish expulsees (Sepharadim) and the Orientals (Iraqis, Persians, Bucharans) are much tougher. I am glad we have Eli Yishay, next time I may vote for him.
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I am glad we have Eli Yishay, next time I may vote for him.
Are you sure that's a good idea? Despite agreeing with him on this one issue, I don't see that he'd support much of what you believe. In particular, his party has consistently indicated a willingness to vote places like Kever Binyamin out of existence.
Be strong before it is too late.
There was an "amusing" article in the NY Times today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/16/nyregion/16gap.html?hp
For several years, the NYC mayor and school chancellor were proudly touting that the black-white racial gap on test scores in NY was miraculously shrinking due to their wonder educational program and would soon disappear. Last year they re-normed the tests to make them slightly more difficult (the old test was so easy that everyone was passing) and surprise, surprise the gap is the same as it has always been. There are all sorts of excuses - economic and social conditions have gotten worse again, etc. The one obvious answer, the elephant in the room - that the test is measuring some innate difference so that no amount of special programs or spending will ever erase it, is heretical and cannot be mentioned. If you mention it at all, you may be burned at the (proverbial) stake or your public career destroyed like Galileo.
So you have to keep mouthing the flat earth pieties no matter how much the data points the other way. Not only does the flat earth theory fit the received doctrine but it is also profitable to some. There are all sorts of special programs of spending on minorities to "help erase the gap". The article mentions one program where the parents (mother really, there is never a father) are paid to take their children to the dentist. "Surprisingly" (it is always a surprise) the program had only "modest" (meaning no) impact on school performance. Oh well, another few million of taxpayer money down the drain. Next experiment please - we'll find the magic bullet if we only keep trying. Drawing the obvious conclusions is strictly verbotten. Reading an article like this is like reading Pravda in the old days, where you have to read between the lines to understand what is really happening.
Beside the fact that the old test was too easy to actually test anything, there have been widespread reports of cheating in black schools (often by black teachers). They now have statistical techniques for determining whether scores are true or falsified. In some cases, bonuses were tied to higher scores. So either the teacher tells the children the answers in advance or after she collects the score sheets she "improves" them.
Keep in mind that the majority of the rising generation in the US is non-white. I have come to the sad conclusion that the US will not be able to be a competitive force on the world market when its labor force is hobbled by low intelligence. "Smarter fraction" only gets you so far in this day and age where factories are run by robots and the # of manual laborers needed is much reduced.
Israel has enough problems without needing a permanent racial underclass. I haven't even touched on the criminality that goes with this status. Don't do it.
K
Long term future orientation is required here. I can't stand it when liberals look at young african kids and fall in love with them. It's heartbreaking when the genetics predisposing them to lives of impulsivity, low intelligence and crime begin to come through as they get older. The link between race, IQ crime, etc, is an unfortunate truth. Just like death, that does not mean we should ignore it.
The Ashkenazi political establishment?
You don’t have to make this about sephardim and ashenazim. Sephardim are not seraphim and ashkenazim are not ashkanim. I happen to see clearly the problem with African immigration to Israel. I have long thought (strangely enough) that the Jewish state ought to be for Jews. But don’t ask me why. It just made a lot of sense to this one stupid Ashkenazi.
Sarah Netanyahu isn't "leading" the pro-migrant movement.
In fact I'd never heard of her opinion on the issue until a few days ago.
Re: Ashkenazi Jews vs the rest
Here's my tentative theory.
Eastern European Ashkenazi Jews are a people who are uncomfortable with social dominance, which is why they invent (often idiotic) values and principles to rule in the name of.
Genteel Yekkim and Sephardic elites, like the Rothschilds or PM Disraeli, didn't suffer from this problem.
Call it upper-middle class vs upper class values.
To be fair though, being put through 80 years of Communism seems to have cured this affliction to an extent, so they're not hopeless.
Spanish Jews, Ashkenazi Jews and Morroco Jews are same ethnic group of Greek-Roman-Anatolia proselytes, see charts @ link:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/06/genome-wide-structure-of-jews-behar-et.html
Nonetheless, we can credit the two new studies with shrinking our universe of viable hypotheses: Ashkenazic Jews don't appear to be either Khazar or converted Slavs/Germans; Iraqi Jews don't appear to have any noticeable Arab-specific ancestry; the Jewish origin of Ethiopian Jews is a fable; Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews appear to be closely related; and so on.
Yet the Jews of Cochin were clearly divided into a "white" and "black" group (before such terms became unfashionable). The two groups had similar customs but they did not intermarry.
K
Sara Netanyahu is not leading any organized liberal-humanist movement, true. But in this issue, she has becoming the most prominent voice of that bleeding heart sentiment.
May be it is a class issue and not an ethnic Sepharadi-Ashkenazi difference in attitudes, but I feel that Eli Yishay is consistently applying old Zionist values while the rest of the government seems to have adopted post-Zionism. He is not politically correct.
Man. Of course you should be strong before it's too late, as K says. But it was a huge mistake not to deport, or wall off, these people in the first place. The cute kids are going to make it politically difficult to save the ethnostate (such as it is).
Gotta make sure more aren't sneaking in right now, or next year, whenever.
I thought Israel was not quite so gullible. Relative to average latins, it's even easier to see that average bantus are a problem.
The cute kids are going to make it politically difficult to save the ethnostate
Why Israel ethnostate?
Torah state, maybe...
Not to quibble, but Eritreans and Sudanese are not Bantus. They are probably not significantly more intelligent but they are somewhat distinct , certainly linguistically and to some extent in physical appearance. In appearance they range from typically sub-Saharan with black skin and broad noses to Egyptian with light brown or reddish skin and prominent noses. I don't know whether this is due to tribal or regional differences or what.
K
I understand that Eritreans carry genes from the pre-human population of Africa. They are not Bantu. They are far different from Latins. No chance of absorption in the next generation.
"Spanish Jews, Ashkenazi Jews and Morroco Jews are same ethnic group of Greek-Roman-Anatolia proselytes, see charts @ link:"
This statement better fits the Atzmon paper published around the same time. However, we are not completely descended of Greco-Roman-Anatolian converts. Moreover, Ashkenazim have a bit more clearly European admixture than the other groups mentioned if you look at the ADMIXTURE analysis in the Behar paper. There is also some Northern vs. Southern structure in Jewish populations reflective of at least some minor admixture in Ashkenazim from more northerly populations than Greeks and Romans (see link below)
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/07/more-jews-fewer-markers/
What Anonymous says makes some sense. For example, among Ashenazim it is not unusual to find redheads and even blondes with blue eyes, which are clearly a Northern admixture. Sephardim on the other hand are often quite dark skinned, darker skinned than Greeks or Turks or any Ashkenazi and blue eyed blonde Sephardim are unheard of. Now if you compare the lightest skin Sephardi with the darkest skinned Ashkenazi (BTW Ashkenazi as a surname usually indicates that you are Sephardic - there was no point in Ashkenazi Jews calling themselves Ashkenazi since they all were) there is some overlap but the extremes diverge in different directions.
My daughter has observed (and I think she is right about this) that the E. European Jews (starting with herself) often have very pale skin (which has survival value in a northern climate because you can make more Vitamin D from the small amount of sunshine present) but their hair color and eye color has remained quite dark (as dark as Greeks or Italians), whereas the native northern peoples have lighter pigment not only in their skin but usually also their hair and eyes. I'm guessing there is differential selection in the North toward pale skin color but there is no differential selection toward hair color so even without interbreeding you end up with lighter skin but not lighter hair.
On the other hand, when I was in Belgium or Holland I (who have brown hair with reddish highlights and very pale skin) looked sufficiently native that people would come up to me in the street and ask directions in Flemish or Dutch, not realizing I was not a native. On the other hand in Italy, the natives were able to spot that I was not Italian from a mile away. Partly this is haircut,clothes, the way you stand and hold the muscles of your face, etc. but physiognomy plays a part as well.
K
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Moreover, Ashkenazim have a bit more clearly European admixture than the other groups mentioned if you look at the ADMIXTURE analysis in the Behar paper.
I was under the impression admixture with Northern Europeans only arounds 10%.
Admixture with _Northern_ Europeans in Ashkenazim is difficult to quantify with certainty, but I would surmise that it is probably not much higher than your estimate. However, overall European admixture in Ashkenazim is in the 30-60% range according to the Atzmon paper, and the ADMIXTURE diagrams in Behar et al. bear that out. The European populations that likely contributed most of this admixture to us, Italians and Greeks (including Anatolian Greeks) are not exclusively Neolithic in ancestry (see Tuscans, for example, in Behar et al.'s ADMIXTURE charts), so a lot of the medium blue putative "European" seen in Ashkenazim in the ADMIXTURE charts probably diffused through them.
From what I can tell, the Listman et al. paper (discussed in the link I posted above) did not imply that more than half of total Ashkenazi ancestry content is Northern European in origin. Rather, using a selected small gene panel (32 genes), they were able to show existence of some Northern vs. Southern population structure among Jews.
, overall European admixture in Ashkenazim is in the 30-60% range according to the Atzmon paper, and the ADMIXTURE diagrams in Behar et al. bear that out.
Atzmon gave 30% European admixture for Syrian Jews (Most possibly Anatolian Greek conversions) and 60% Ashkenazi. Behar's K-analysis appears 60% European ancestry for Ashkenazim (plus or minus percentage points.)
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