Nestor Kirchner, former President, husband of current President and sure candidate to replace her, had a heart attack and died. He was 60. He did not expect it.
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Argentina bonds rose on his death. It's not a good sign of your legacy when the markets consider your death to be a good thing.
I don't see him as having been helpful in the long run. Renouncing the debt means that Argentina is still not viewed as a serious country. Argentina was, once upon a time (at the beginning of the 20th century) , on track to be a full member of the 1st world, comparable to the US or W. Europe. Now they are behind Brasil and Mexico and even with Kazakhstan. This is shameful for a country that has a largely white population and an avg. IQ close to 100. The only other largely white countries that perform so poorly are the more backward ex-Soviet Bloc nations such as Romania and Bulgaria and even they are catching up rapidly. Argentina should have a per capita GDP comparable at least to Greece or Portugal (or Israel) but instead it is maybe 1/3 as much. They brought this on themselves - they had no external enemies, were not involved in any wars that they did not start. Argentina's biggest enemy is itself.
I am not sure that his wife is qualified to inherit his place at the Presidency. When President Peron died, his place was taken up by Isabelita. She was a former "cabaret dancer" (she met Peron in a Panama bordello), perfectly suited and acceptable to the Argentine masses. Nestor's wife, Cristina, on the other hand, is a talented lawyer.
I don't know this blog at all, nor the referenced blog. However, the talk from the source sounds potentially real to my ear. In any case it will give you some entertainment.
Argentina should follow the path of Chile or Brazil. Taking advice from the IMF or the international banking set is stupid, they've never helped anyone who don't already know how to help themselves.
What's the scandal here? That Obama is just a talking head with no substance? But most people on the right knew that before the elections. The real scandal is that a man like this could get elected to the Oval Office. When the blame game starts I hope they tar and feather the Chicago Trotskyites and reconsider allowing women the vote. The sensible Swiss didn't give them the vote till 1971.
Meh, I am not impressed by the blog or the oracle's cryptic comments. I could make up vague nonsense like this too and put the words in the mouth of an "insider". Maybe it's true but there's no way to tell from such a fact free "interview".
As for the President laughing and joking at the Afghanistan meeting (mentioned in one of the links) this is how Americans behave nowadays. I was just at my uncle's funeral and people were doing the same. My mother used to be shocked at this levity on somber or serious occasions but I no longer am - Americans are always supposed to appear happy and cheerful and joking and smiling no matter what. In the context of modern American culture it no longer constitutes disrespectful behavior, it is just the modern norm.
I'm sure that there are plenty of skeletons in Obama's closet that were completely overlooked in the media campaign in favor of his coronation. Chicago politics is dirty - the last several governors of Illinois have ended up in jail. Look at Edwards - he had a love child in full view of the media and as long as he was the golden boy of the liberals, no mainstream paper would print a word of it. It's true that after the election the recriminations will start and Obama may no longer be so protected. (BTW, the recriminations will be the opposite of what you think - the media think that Obama was not liberal ENOUGH). But again you don't have to be an "insider" to figure this out.
Hmm Sailer has a thread on those materials (Sept 23). He considers it most likely fake.
One thing made me suspicious. The guy said the media had supported Obama wholeheartedly - behind the scenes explicitly - and attempted to get him in. It doesn't make much sense for the guy to confess that the US media is a leftist brainwashing outfit, if he is really anti-pres pro-party. To the extent that people believe the media to be semi-objective, the party benefits.
Yeah, the guy sounded more like a conservative pretending to be a Democrat than an actual Democrat - the tone did not sound quite right. That is not how Democrats think or speak. In their mind the press (except for Fox) is unbiased because being liberal is just the "normal" or natural state of things. You are not "biased" just because you believe in gravity - everyone with a brain believes in gravity (and liberalism too). There was a famous comment by the NY film critic regarding Nixon to the effect that she didn't understand how he could have been elected President given that she did not personally know a single person who voted for him. They think of themselves as professionals and (even though they supported Obama at the polls) they are not consciously in the tank for him in their line of work - it is more subtle than that.
I should add that it is not working - the people do not believe that the media is objective anymore. Respect for media is somewhere down in the dumps near the level of politicians, lawyers and child molestors, especially among Republicans and independents. The only group that has a positive perception of the media is Democrats, so the admiration is mutual. But I agree w/you that it is still to the Democrats benefit to deny that there is a bias at all - admitting it would be even worse for them.
Sailer must have been referring to earlier versions of same. Some of the commenters note the reference to "Democrat Party" which is a key giveaway - Democrats always call themselves the DemocratIC Party. The version you linked to did not contain these references - presumably the fake "insider" is reading the comments and getting better at faking.
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Argentina bonds rose on his death. It's not a good sign of your legacy when the markets consider your death to be a good thing.
K
The market can be wrong. He was corrupt (that is a given in Argentina) but ensured political stability in a very unstable country.
In the short term, his wife will benefit from the sympathy vote.
By the way:Charlie of Bloemfontein
Paul the Psychic Octopus
Nestor Beacon of Probity
Who is next?
Anon.
He ruled over millions of horny Aregentine women. May he rest in peace.
I don't see him as having been helpful in the long run. Renouncing the debt means that Argentina is still not viewed as a serious country. Argentina was, once upon a time (at the beginning of the 20th century) , on track to be a full member of the 1st world, comparable to the US or W. Europe. Now they are behind Brasil and Mexico and even with Kazakhstan. This is shameful for a country that has a largely white population and an avg. IQ close to 100. The only other largely white countries that perform so poorly are the more backward ex-Soviet Bloc nations such as Romania and Bulgaria and even they are catching up rapidly. Argentina should have a per capita GDP comparable at least to Greece or Portugal (or Israel) but instead it is maybe 1/3 as much. They brought this on themselves - they had no external enemies, were not involved in any wars that they did not start. Argentina's biggest enemy is itself.
K
I am not sure that his wife is qualified to inherit his place at the Presidency. When President Peron died, his place was taken up by Isabelita. She was a former "cabaret dancer" (she met Peron in a Panama bordello), perfectly suited and acceptable to the Argentine masses. Nestor's wife, Cristina, on the other hand, is a talented lawyer.
Anon.,
1. South Africa
2.Germany
3. Argentina
Next? The serial killer may be heading North.
North America.
Who is the best seer of the future in the USA? Roubini? Taleb? Who?
He is doomed.
Lawyers are a type of whore - they get paid to take a position.
K
Do you guys think there's any chance this is real:
http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2010/10/deep-throat.html
I don't know this blog at all, nor the referenced blog. However, the talk from the source sounds potentially real to my ear. In any case it will give you some entertainment.
Rob,
The rumors here are that the American people is angry, that Obama has lost and the Republicans are winning, that America's feeling is isolationist.
I am no futurist and cant foresee who is going to win (this last comment is for the benefit of the serial killer at loose).
Argentina should follow the path of Chile or Brazil. Taking advice from the IMF or the international banking set is stupid, they've never helped anyone who don't already know how to help themselves.
Rob,
What's the scandal here? That Obama is just a talking head with no substance? But most people on the right knew that before the elections. The real scandal is that a man like this could get elected to the Oval Office. When the blame game starts I hope they tar and feather the Chicago Trotskyites and reconsider allowing women the vote. The sensible Swiss didn't give them the vote till 1971.
Meh, I am not impressed by the blog or the oracle's cryptic comments. I could make up vague nonsense like this too and put the words in the mouth of an "insider". Maybe it's true but there's no way to tell from such a fact free "interview".
As for the President laughing and joking at the Afghanistan meeting (mentioned in one of the links) this is how Americans behave nowadays. I was just at my uncle's funeral and people were doing the same. My mother used to be shocked at this levity on somber or serious occasions but I no longer am - Americans are always supposed to appear happy and cheerful and joking and smiling no matter what. In the context of modern American culture it no longer constitutes disrespectful behavior, it is just the modern norm.
K
I'm sure that there are plenty of skeletons in Obama's closet that were completely overlooked in the media campaign in favor of his coronation. Chicago politics is dirty - the last several governors of Illinois have ended up in jail. Look at Edwards - he had a love child in full view of the media and as long as he was the golden boy of the liberals, no mainstream paper would print a word of it. It's true that after the election the recriminations will start and Obama may no longer be so protected. (BTW, the recriminations will be the opposite of what you think - the media think that Obama was not liberal ENOUGH). But again you don't have to be an "insider" to figure this out.
K
Hmm Sailer has a thread on those materials (Sept 23). He considers it most likely fake.
One thing made me suspicious. The guy said the media had supported Obama wholeheartedly - behind the scenes explicitly - and attempted to get him in. It doesn't make much sense for the guy to confess that the US media is a leftist brainwashing outfit, if he is really anti-pres pro-party. To the extent that people believe the media to be semi-objective, the party benefits.
Yeah, the guy sounded more like a conservative pretending to be a Democrat than an actual Democrat - the tone did not sound quite right. That is not how Democrats think or speak. In their mind the press (except for Fox) is unbiased because being liberal is just the "normal" or natural state of things. You are not "biased" just because you believe in gravity - everyone with a brain believes in gravity (and liberalism too). There was a famous comment by the NY film critic regarding Nixon to the effect that she didn't understand how he could have been elected President given that she did not personally know a single person who voted for him. They think of themselves as professionals and (even though they supported Obama at the polls) they are not consciously in the tank for him in their line of work - it is more subtle than that.
K
I should add that it is not working - the people do not believe that the media is objective anymore. Respect for media is somewhere down in the dumps near the level of politicians, lawyers and child molestors, especially among Republicans and independents. The only group that has a positive perception of the media is Democrats, so the admiration is mutual. But I agree w/you that it is still to the Democrats benefit to deny that there is a bias at all - admitting it would be even worse for them.
K
K
Sailer must have been referring to earlier versions of same. Some of the commenters note the reference to "Democrat Party" which is a key giveaway - Democrats always call themselves the DemocratIC Party. The version you linked to did not contain these references - presumably the fake "insider" is reading the comments and getting better at faking.
K
Koko is consulting the Necronomicon to ascertain who is next on the list.
Anon.
She also ordered The Book of the Dead in Amazon.
"Bound in human flesh
And etch'd in blood.."
Anon.
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