Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and the Czech Republic are calling for the punishment of "public approval, denial or belittlement of totalitarian crimes. "While denial of the Holocaust is punishable by law in Germany and several other countries, they say the denial of communist atrocities "must be subjected to the same standards in order to prevent the resurgence of totalitarian ideology." Czech Foreign Minister Karel Schwarzenberg said both totalitarian systems can be measured to the same degree, and that both Hitler and Stalin were mass murderers and those who served them were abettors.
Slowly but surely the Holocaust is being "relativized" and "revised". The revisionists are winning. The next step will be to teach that Jewish communism was the crime and the Holocaust the punishment. One learns today on the internet that Auschwitz was, in fact, a holiday camp the Nazis built for the Jews's enjoyment. Apparently my four grandparents and many uncles didnt know how to swim in the pool (pic), that's why they never came back from Auschwitz.
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I don't share your fears.
In 1991, an empire fell. Accounts need to be settled - it is inevitable.
Besides, the Czechs are pro-Israel and the Bulgarians told the Nazis to go f*ck themselves when they came for the Jews, so give them some credit.
Communism is evil. It did destroy eastern Europe and genocidally enslave and kill people. Comparing Communism and Naziism is valid. They're not the same, and the Holocaust is still unique in history, but that doesn't mean the Gulag isn't also unique in history or that Lenin and Stalin weren't as bad as Hitler.
Whether the Czechs and the Bulgarians love Israel or loathe it, and whether Holocaust deniers also exist, is irrelevant to an honest accounting of Communist crimes. But that accounting must be kept honest. Yes, there were many Jews involved in Communism (and in anti-Communist movements and parties). Yes, the Bolsheviks were disproportionately Jewish (and also disproportionately Jew-hating). But what does that prove?
Looking forward, what worries me is the permissive attitude for anti-Semitism now permeating the Corridors of Power in Europe.
It is no coincidence this correlates with governmental support and enablement of mass immigration from the Middle East and South Asia.
In my opinion, the Holocaust may not be over, at least in the minds of certain individuals, and even as we speak, a great crime is also being perpetrated against the European people as a whole.
Sadly,
Anon.
I lost many relatives also, but Stalin was just as evil. To denounce Stalin is not to endorse Hitler. I have a unique perspective because my mother was under Stalinist occupation and my father under German - it's not clear to me which was worse, notwithstanding that at the time Hilter expressly had it out for the Jews. Stalin was apparently ready to begin his own actions against the Jews just before he died. Knowing the cruelty of the Soviets, it could have been just as bad. As it was, he succeeding in destroying what was once a thriving Jewish culture.
K
K, check out "Russia in 15 seconds" (the original version) on Mangan's.
I doubt you will recognize an relatives.
Anon.
Russians are not bad people, but they cannot hold their drink.
There is no doubt that Communism was an inhuman regime, where the individual was worthless and all was sacrificed to advance "historical inevitability". It was a mistake and an illusion. But revisionism has, in my mind, an undercurrent of antisemitism. It is directed against the Jews.
Russia is far from being the only place in Europe where there is anti-Semitism.
I would say government authorities France, and some elements of the establishment in the UK as well are as bad albeit more nuanced. And these places never had communism.
Anon.
Anon, you are mistaken - France and England on a bad day were never as bad as Russia on a good day. Westerners cannot conceive of the brutality that Russians are capable of - there is nothing like it in the West. In England they exclude you from some snooty club, in Russia they shoot you.
Jews were both part of Bolshevism and its victims. Mostly victims - Bolshevism was a ruthless pyramid scheme with far more victims than winners. It is a pity that certain anti-Semites equate Jews with Communism. That's their problem - I will not defend Communism because it is indefensible.
K
PS "Russia in 15 seconds" is a scene from a movie - a staged scene w/ actors, not real documentary footage.
K
K, I realize it's a movie.
But do yu think it's realistic, or representative?
I suspect it might be, albeit an understatement?
Anon.
Russia is an advanced Western country, not a third world shithole. It will take another generation to heal from Communism.
The name itself betrays the absurdity - it's impossible to capture a whole nation in 15 seconds. Is this a cartoon portrayal of the worst aspects of Russia? Yes, but I've witnessed similar tableau with my own eyes in America - they represent A reality but not THE reality. Man is capable of both sinking to the greatest depths of depravity and of soaring to the moon.
K
Ashkenazi Jews, because of their superior intelligence, wind up in leadership positions almost everywhere they live, except in places where they are barred by anti-Semitism. My uncle, within a year of being deported to a forest collective in Kazakhstan, became the right hand man of the nachalnik (later in America, he became a millionaire). The cream rises to the top. So it is not surprising that there were Jews in leadership positions in the Communist movements in E. Europe (non-practicing Jews of course) , over-represented because they were excluded from many of the other political movements due to anti-Semitism.
This is the kind of irony that only a Jew can appreciate - the anti-Semites of E. Europe exclude the Jews from their political movements and then complain that they were over-represented in the only political movement that tolerated them (and even then only at the price of giving up their Jewish identity).
But as I said before, this does not take away from the evil of Communism. Europe in the 20th century was infected by twin curses - Socialism and Fascism (some would say only 1 - Fascism is after all National Socialism and Communist regimes are fascistic) and (as someone once quipped about the war between Khomeini and Saddam ) - too bad it wasn't possible for BOTH sides to lose.
K
PS, one of the most shocking things about the Holocaust is the small scale of the facilities necessary to perpetrate such a horror - while the Auschwitz Birkenau complex as a whole was quite large due to the associated work camps, the actual killing facilities were small unremarkable structures. If you did not know their purpose you would take no notice of them. As industrial facilities they were quite unimpressive, no bigger or more automated than some of the small scale cookie factories or whatever that J consults for.
K
"Ashkenazi Jews, because of their superior intelligence, wind up in leadership positions almost everywhere they live, except in places where they are barred by anti-Semitism."
Jews were in senior positions in Italy's fascist government before Hitler talked Mussolini into persecuting the Jews. If the Nazis weren't explicitly anti-Jewish, there would have been Jews senior in the Nazi party too.
If the Nazis weren't explicitly anti-Jewish, there would have been Jews senior in the Nazi party too.
Leader of Luftwaffe, Field Marshall Erhard Milch, was fully Ashkenazi Jewish not half as he told Hitler he was.
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Reinhard Heydrich and a few Krupp family members had Jewish ancestry
....the actual killing facilities were small unremarkable structures...
It is not only the infrastructure that is shocking. Eichmann organized the killing of Hungarian Jewry in six weeks in 1944 with a staff of 25. The mass shootings of Polish Jewry was carried out by aged police platoons, like Trapp's police unit, comically inefficient, and not elite Wermacht combat units. It took me a long time to understand that Jews are walking deads in the Goles, only that they dont know it.
The IDF is the first serious Jewish fighting force in almost 2,000 years. Jews were not prepared to resist even the most feeble combat forces. Keep in mind though that the Wermacht did defeat (for a time) all the military forces from the Spanish border to the gates of Moscow so resistance was not realistic in any event.
K
"It took me a long time to understand that Jews are walking deads in the Goles, only that they dont know it."
That is over-generalization. For all the hysterics about anti-Semitism in France and England currently (which I do know is real to some extent), what percentage of the Jewish population has been killed in the last 10 years? And how much better off are Jews in Israel long-term, surrounded as they are by hundreds of millions of hostile Arabs bent on their destruction with nowhere to escape but the Mediterranean Sea.
The fact remains there is no country in Christian Europe from which the Jews have not been expelled at one point or another.
K
On the present trendline, there will once again be an overwhelming sentiment to expel the Jews, by the new Muslim masters of Europe, and this time from the whole of Europe.
But,you know what,the masters won't be all that enthusiastic about the Jews going to Israel.
Hmmm.
It is seriously time the adults in Europe, and the USA, started to think this through very, very carefully, because the implications are really unpleasant.
It is naive to imagine that pro-immigration sentiments in the USA will not be imitated by the European Left (monkey see, monkey do).
Only in Israel, IMHO, is there an inkling of what is to come in Europe, and what it will mean.
Anon.
The question, BTW, is not what % were killed (or expelled) in the LAST 10 yrs, it is how many will suffer this fate in the NEXT 10 (or 50). If you had asked this question in Germany or Hungary in 1933 the answer would have sounded very positive also. J's point is that the Jews of the Diaspora are extraordinarily defenseless and vulnerable if the tide turns against them, which can happen seemingly overnight.
K
It is happening in Europe as we speak, indirectly aided and abetted by the the pro-immigration forces of the American Left, who in their anxiety to screw mainstream America, have (despite their much vaunted "intellect") not yet joined the dots.
Eventually they will, but by then it may be too late. For if it is too late to save Europe, it will also be too late for Europe's Jews.
Anon.
That proportionately fewer Jews were active Bolsheviks as opposed to say Zionists does not capture the singular effectiveness of the Jewish contribution to the Bolshevik victory. Neither Winston Churchill nor Bertrand Russell can be considered antisemites, thus when they write or imply that Jewish contribution was perhaps the deciding factor in the Bolsheviks' triumph it carries weight. The last word on this has already been written by Albert Lindemann in Esau's Tears. The scale of the crimes associated with Communism is such that even a historian as fair minded as Richard Pipes has problems eliding away the crimes that Jews committed during the Bolshevik wars. The best he can do is to use the standard device of claiming that these were deracinated Jews who fell away from the ways of their fathers. In explaining the fate of Jews in the Soviet Union anachronism needs to be taken into account. The fact is between 1917-1925 Jews were getting the better of it. Their situation became dicier between 1925-1938 when Stalin decided to do away with the "Old Bolsheviks". From then it became after a certain thaw it progressively worse, with the Nazi-Soviet pact and never recovered until Stalin's death. The devil was of course planning to do away with the Jewish people, in the same as he did with the Volga Germans and the Chechens but his multi-layered Doctors' Plot conspiracy still lacked in his mind certain key ingredients. It can be said that Sophie Karpai the radiologist who withstood insane torture and refused to sign a trumped up confession was the saviour of her people.
I suspect that half of the Holocaust deniers are reacting to the different way in which crimes of Communists are treated as opposed to that of the Nazis. Lazar Kaganovich to take but one example, a criminal in the class of Heydrich died in his bed in Russia in 1991. Another issue is of course the constant demonisation of the Slavic and Germanic peoples as inherently antisemitic, naturally they in turn will raise the spectre of Communism.
thus when they write or imply that Jewish contribution was perhaps the deciding factor in the Bolsheviks' triumph it carries weight.
Fuck you. The majority of Communists were gentiles. Go exterminate yourselves.
Their situation became dicier between 1925-1938 when Stalin decided to do away with the "Old Bolsheviks".
If the Jewish contribution was the "deciding factor" in Communism's victory then why was Stalin able to purge the "Jew controlled" Communist Party?
Another issue is of course the constant demonisation of the Slavic and Germanic peoples as inherently antisemitic,
Your precious Germans demonized the Slavs as subhumans worthy of extermination so go rape, murder, and exterminate your precious little German Aryans you filthy cocksucker.
I'd say Russians were "the deciding factor" - the Jews by themselves would have gotten nowhere.
Anonymous is being a little vehement but I understand his anger. If Germans and Slavs are "demonized" as anti-Semitic it is not without a factual basis. Of course many aren't but oddly enough the ones who are defensive about it usually are. Those who are honest will admit that there is a "problem". As I said before it is ironic for anti-Semites to accuse Jews of being over-represented in the Communist movement because they sure didn't welcome Jews into their own nationalist movements. You can see the appeal of an internationalist movement to someone who was so rejected and considered an alien in the land of his birth.
K
Anonymous of 7.30 . Why do you assume that I am an Aryan sympathizer? And a cock sucker to boot. Any greviance mongering movement latches on to the Holocaust to further its ends. For example the homosexuals are given carte blanche to ride on the guilt of the Holocaust by the ADL. Yet Catholics are not allowed to refer the 40 million abortions performed in the US as a holocaust. In this manner the Holocaust becomes a focus of contention in the culture wars.
If the Jewish contribution was the "deciding factor" in Communism's victory then why was Stalin able to purge the "Jew controlled" Communist Party?
Perhaps you could talk to anyone of Stalin's Hangmen; Yagoda or Yezhov or Kaganovich in a later life, they would be able to help you understand. This article may help you get started .
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