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Even at the level of Jews, there are so many differences and disagreements. Not just Ashkenazi vs. Sephardi vs. Mizrahi but atheist/agnostic vs. reform vs. conservative vs. orthodox vs. ultra-Orthodox vs. hassidic ultra-orthodox. And as you know better than I, that's only the surface. So what does "who we really are" mean?
I meant, in the Golah we cannot be freely Jews. The Rav whose name cannot be mentioned wrote a chapter about Scott, the young American Jew. Scott!! If you are fated to be hated, at least do it as Moyshe. Myself carried the name of a Mongolian - Hungarian horde leader, which discarded as soon as arrived to Eretz.
"I meant, in the Golah we cannot be freely Jews."This is simply not true as a blanket statement. First, in Israel, one is only free to be a Jew according to the dictates of the ultra-Orthodox rabbinical establishment in regards to marriage, family law and death. This is not trivial, and as the ultra-Orthodox fraction of the Israeli population increases, their stranglehold will only expand to other facets of daily life. One is actually more free to dissent from Orthodox dictates in the "exile" because they are not part of the establishment of state.Face it, J. Not all of us care enough to be willing to pay the same price to preserve Jewish identity as you or "Scott."
As far as I know, there are a lot of Moishes living in Brooklyn already. They did not have to move to Israel to be Moishe. I myself have a rather obviously Jewish name. You are 30 years out of date - America is "diversity" crazy so the last thing you want to be is a plain vanilla "Scott" - everyone is a Latisha or a Juan or a Barrack Hussein, so a lot of Jews do the same now. There is a joke about this - a proud Jewish grandmother is showing off pictures of her grandson. "This is Shmuel - he is named for his grandfather Scott."K
I am not only 30 years out of date, but long after my die by date. I mean, to quote Q, this is hardly a time to be teaching you the true nature of the universe.
I've said before, America is killing Jews (as a group, not as individuals) with kindness, not with anti-Semitism. The problem for Scott is not that he is fated to be hated but that he is fated to be loved. Any cute shiksa would love to catch a rich Jewish husband and her parents won't mind either, usually. More Jewish bloodlines will die this way in a generation or two than after 1,000 years of Hungarian anti-Semitism.K
"Any cute shiksa would love to catch a rich Jewish husband and her parents won't mind either, usually."This is an overstatement. Most Jews aren't all that rich. Our looks differ from the gentile population average enough (unfavorably IMO) that many gentiles are not interested. Lastly, I've lived in areas where I strongly suspect that gentile parents would not welcome a Jewish in-law. However, that does not equate to not being free to be Jewish in the exile at all."More Jewish bloodlines will die this way..."The genetic "bloodline" doesn't die at all if there are descendants, whether or not they identify as Jews.
Any cute shiksaBlond shiksa Jews' most powerful enemy whether Polish peasant girl fondling rabbi's son in barn or drunken Scandinavian college American girl forgets panties.
J, tell grandsons avoid blond shiksa. Resist temptation.
"Our looks differ from the gentile population average enough (unfavorably IMO)..."Another self hating Jew. K
"Another self hating Jew."I should have left out the off-handed "unfavorably IMO" as it was really just an expression of my aesthetic preference unnecessary to the argument itself. Whether the Jewish population's looks are equal to, better than or worse than that of the gentiles on average, in areas where the gentile population is predominantly of northern European ancestry, our appearances differ enough that many of them are not interested. Height is also an issue. The Jewish-American population is significantly shorter on average than the European-American population. Since even Jewish girls discriminate strongly based on height these days, this can be a severe handicap for a large fraction of Jewish men in attempting to date any ethnicity of women.
this can be a severe handicap for a large fraction of Jewish men*Snort*Jewish American men have amazing sex with shiksa. Always.Jared Kushner enjoys Ivanka. Mayor Bloomberg has Mischlinges. So do Hollywood Jews. Asian American men are sexually doomed.Come to America, J.
Mayor Bloomberg's shiksaMayor Bloomberg's girlfriend Diana Taylor says no need for police escorthttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/12/01/2007-12-01_mayor_bloombergs_girlfriend_diana_taylor-1.html
Bashevis in his historical novel "The Slave" describes the heroic resistance of a pious Jew vis-a-vis those monumental blonde Polish peasant girls. Unfortunately, our generation is weak. Even my uber-Zionist self had a girlfriend Dorly Koehler, daughter of post war German immigrants to Argentina. I cannot throw the first stone, nor the second.
"Jared Kushner enjoys Ivanka. Mayor Bloomberg has Mischlinges."You named two people, both of whom are billionaires, one essentially by inheritance. The vast majority of us Jewish peons can't expect outcomes like that. Incidentally, Ivanka Trump underwent an Orthodox conversion.
Females are attracted to money/power more than looks. Jews on average have more money than goyim. Maybe we all can't marry Ivanka Trump but maybe 50% of American Jewish men have no problem marrying a shiksa. The other half probably dated one at one point or another. The social barriers to doing so are low/ virtually non-existent.K
The only daughter of an American President - Chelsea Clinton - married a Jewish guy, so we can assume that there are no more social barriers on their side. I daresay there never were. It was us that it was considered a tragedy to marry them. May I comment that like seafood and Hungarian salami, shikses are more satisfying than the kosher alternative.
Let's give equal space to the antisemite side: "It is what one ‘d call the Bathroom Mirror Syndrome.Mr. Jew wakes up every morning, faces the medicine cabinet and hopelessly sighs, “Oh gevald! Another day ahead of me at being a Jew.”And there’s nothing they can do about it. So they take it out on Whites.And though they comport discreetly cool about it, they are chomping at the bit to marry a shikse."Hahaha. It is very un-Jewish, but I for one always enjoy reading antisemite blogs.
I daresay there never were.The Confederate States were anti-semitic.
Since Jews are a small minority, even if 90% of goyim would have nothing to do with Jews, there would still be enough shiksas left to match up every Jewish bocher. It's funny that Mr. White Power should mention this - just this morning, I woke up, looked in the mirror, and the first thing I thought was, "“Oh gevald! Another day ahead of me at being a rich Jew. Why couldn't I have been an Aryan with blonde hair and blue eyes and no brains and a tendency toward alcoholism. I'm going to find some white people to take it out on."K
"The only daughter of an American President - Chelsea Clinton - married a Jewish guy"She is not very attractive and comes from a "new" family of the center-left that does not have pretensions to pedigree farther back than her father. Moreover, she was educated in liberal upper middle class fashion. I doubt attractive daughters of old-money WASP families have any interest in Jewish guys. Likewise the daughters of sincerely religious (or occasionally sincerely anti-Semitic) heartland families."Females are attracted to money/power more than looks. Jews on average have more money than goyim." The differences in money are fairly piddling considerin that anything less than mega-millions isn't worth sh_t these days. And don't you read the game blogs? Now that they have been empowered to support themselves by decades of feminism, women are taking awalk on the wild side during their desirable years and are paying more attention looks and so-called "alpha" (not the scientific use of the term) traits.
I doubt attractive daughters of old-money WASP families have any interest in Jewish guys.You know nothing.Elite WASPs marry Jews all the time. Senator Kerry is Jewish and a Forbes.
"Elite WASPs marry Jews all the time. Senator Kerry is Jewish and a Forbes."Per wikipedia, his grandfather hid his Jewish origins to the point that John Kerry "did not know until informed by The Boston Globe on the basis of their genealogical research that Fred Kerry had changed his name from 'Fritz Kohn' and had been born Jewish,." It's not at all clear that Kerry's Forbes mother ever knew of it either.Care to give some better examples that justify your use of "all the time"?
Care to give some better examples that justify your use of "all the time"? Supreme Court Justice Stephen BryerIn 1967, he married The Hon. Joanna Freda Hare, a psychologist and member of the British aristocracy (the youngest daughter of John Hare, 1st Viscount Blakenham).
You are pitifully unfamiliar with American Northeast elite if you believe WASPs are adverse to marrying American Jews. Go back to Occidental Observer.Anyone else want to provide our WN friend more examples of WASP-Jew unions?
Rabbi Joshua Boettiger, a 32-year-old graduate of the Reconstructionist Rabbinical College in Philadelphia. His father is a grandson of Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt, and his mother is Jewish.Read more: http://www.forward.com/articles/1706/#ixzz1HIhZ7GoVK
I'm 100% Ashkenazi, not at all a WN. I can't argue that there have been a few examples of high WASP-Jew unions. However, can anyone offer data that these represent a significant fraction of Jewish outmarriages?
"I should have left out the off-handed "unfavorably IMO" as it was really just an expression of my aesthetic preference unnecessary to the argument itself. Whether the Jewish population's looks are equal to, better than or worse than that of the gentiles on average, in areas where the gentile population is predominantly of northern European ancestry, our appearances differ enough that many of them are not interested. Height is also an issue. The Jewish-American population is significantly shorter on average than the European-American population."There are actually two different dynamics at work here. One is attractiveness per se; another is attractiveness within the idealized* Northwestern European context (an archetype that, incidentally, Jewish Hollywood popularized). In the past, many Jews had neither. Generations of arranged marriages in Eastern Europe typically didn't select for attractiveness. Poverty and poor nutrition also limited height among immigrants. Today, though, both have changed. A few generations of dating and good nutrition have improved the looks of more Jews, and through intermarriage, there are more Jews who share Northwestern European features. More importantly though, there is now a recognition that Jews can be attractive as Jews, and their attractiveness isn't dependent on them looking like gentiles. Some examples among famous actors and actresses today: Noah Wylie, David Duchovny, Natalie Portman, Rachel Weisz, etc. (This phenomenon isn't limited to Jews, of course, but it is a rather new one -- within the last generation or so). "Anyone else want to provide our WN friend more examples of WASP-Jew unions?"A cousin of mine (Ivy educated hedge fund manager) married a high WASP (not just a WASP, but an old line, DAR type). They raised their kids as Protestants though. *"Idealized" because most blonde, blue-eyed Germanic women are thicker than the idealized feminine form that is part of this archetype.
I must confess to being blond and blue-eyed, but something obviously went wrong at my birth, since I do seem to have brains and as yet, though I sit here in an anxious sweat, no tendencies to alcoholism.Down here on the goyim coalface, we labour on for our meagre fare, and, pausing only to create the modern world, give thanks that people like Darwin, Newton, Rutherford, Maxwell, Heisenberg, Schrodinger and Plank didn't really have talent but were only amateurs, actors and puppets of the elite.Anon.
The modern world is not the exclusive creation of either the blondes or the Jews but of both working together. Add to your list Einstein, Freud, Oppenheimer, etc. Jews need not (and don't) envy WASPs nor vice versa, except for the losers among us, who will always envy their betters.K
Don't leave out von Neumann from the Jewish list. He really was important.
It's funny now that K mentioned it, ocassionally I also suffer from the Bathroom Mirror Syndrome."Mr. Jew wakes up every morning, faces the medicine cabinet and hopelessly sighs, “Oy-Vey, Oy-Va-Voy, Gevald! Another day ahead of me at being a Jew.”"Tevye the Milkman's worries are nothing compared to mine. The NASDAQ is falling, interest is increasing, clients are not paying, how difficult is the life of a Jew! I cant even take it out on the WASPs as there is none in the neighborhood except the neighbor upstairs but she is Orthodox and very sweet. And there’s nothing I can do about it."
S'iz shver tzu zayn a Yid (it's hard to be a Jew). See, geula is even worse than goles - you can't even blame your tzuris on the goyim or seduce their daughters to ease your pain.K
About the seducing - I could try. No, my wife would change the door lock.
The most under-rated Jew in physics was Szilard, IMHO.And the most under-rated WASP, for what it matters, is Dirac, notwithstanding his Nobel.Anon.
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