The Comintern is dead, short life to the Neo-Nazintern. The only political movement that is showing true international organizational capabilities are the various neo nazi groups, mostly of Europe. They are achieving growing co-ordination and co-operation capabilities. In a way, the movement is a creation of the hated European Union, with its suffocating social democratic policy, its liberal refugee and immigration legislation, its increasingly dictatorial government. Europe will be united because that is its destiny, but it could well be united under a neonazi logo and not under the red socialist banner. Pic: Greece.
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It is directly related to the EU, absolutely no doubt in my mind. It may have xenophobic or anti-semitic aspects, but the underlying cause is the economy and the disaster wrought by the Eurozone. Unfortunately history is rife with examples of how severe economic dislocation ends up being blamed on Jews or some other imagined bogeyman. I suspect Israel is already seeing more inquiries about immigration from Europe, its in the papers about this already occurring with French Jews.
The Europeans are lurching left and right like a drunken man. It was the same years ago. Thee is is little doubt that the Right will prevail in the end, just as in Israel. Blood and soil will tell in times of crisis.
Ivan
its in the papers about this already occurring with French Jews.
That is fault of French Muslims not French Right.
Those responsible for mass immigration into Europe knew exactly what they were doing.
The negative effects on the Jews were absolutely predictable, as were the negative effects on the rest of the white population.
It will only get worse; much worse. Just on e example: the new outlet for anti-Semitism will be the attack on Israel's ethnocentrist policies by indoctrinated white Leftwing idealogues.
Anon.
The influence of the anti-immigrant right wing is growing all over Europe. And they are establishing contacts and co-ordinating their actions. What is amazing that they are adopting long-dead Nazi symbols and models. Look at the picture: Greece was militarily occupied by the Nazis and the Greek independence narrative is strongly anti-nazi. Have they forgotten that for the Nazis THEY were the untermensch? The same with Russian neo-nazis: no country suffered more than they did, they were designated to be exterminated, how can any Russian dress like a Nazi?
It's 1932 all over again.
There is a small and declining interest in anti-Semitism amongst white nationalist groups, and an increasing admiration for the successful ethnocentric Jewish state.
Anon.
Anon.,
The white nationalist groups might admire Israel, mostly for what they perceive as its muscular response to undesired/illegal immigration, but that doesn't mean they care much for Jews, especially if those Jews live in their countries.
There is a small and declining interest in anti-Semitism amongst white nationalist groups,
Only in Europe. American white nationalists are still interested.
No.
Comintern is in control again.
The French aristocracy is escaping to Britain again:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/globalbusiness/9261905/High-earners-say-au-revoir-to-France.html
There is a natural commonality of interest between white nationalists and European Jewry in limiting the extent and influence of militant Islam in Europe.
Clearly (eg look at Geert Wilders, the English Defense League, etc), white nationalists have woken up to the enormous opportunities to be enjoyed from pooling resources with pro-Israel and especially, pro-Jewish Jews.
Anon.
Anon.,
That may be so in Europe, although the Golden Dawn in Greece (photo at the top) is an explicitly neo-Nazi party. Anonymous at 2:41 AM was writing about America. Here, the white nationalists are conspicuously Jew-hating.
In second round of voting, Golden Dawn would fall from 7% to 5.8%. They are losing their supporters to the extreme left, Syriza:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/324790
As Greece wavers with no clear mandate to form a government, latest polls show a distinct turn in favour of the far-left anti-bailout party Syriza. The results indicate if a second election is called Syriza will swoop to first place.
Real News reports that the Coalition of the Radical Left (SYRIZA) has gained support at the expense of the other parties. It puts Syriza on 25.5 percent, New Democracy on 21 percent, PASOK on 14.6 percent and the Communists KKE on 5.3 percent.
According to a poll published in the Wall Street Journal the neo-Nazi party of Golden Dawn, which swept into Parliament last week with 7 percent of the vote, would still garner enough support to retain the 3 percent necessary to enter Parliament, but its share of the vote has fallen to 5.8 percent.
As support for Syriza has been rising all week it has been widely speculated that party leader Alexis Tsipras was confident enough that a second election would put his party in the lead and thus gain Syriza the additional 50 parliamentary seats awarded to the party with the most votes. This scenario would have influenced Tsipras to hold out against joining a coalition unity government this week.
Tsipras's statements that the bank accounts of private citizens should be used to support the Greek economy have been played down by Syriza. They are however a worrying indicator that a political leader who is under the impression that the private funds of a nation's citizens are up for grabs by the government shows a lack of economic maturity to run a country's economy.
Political science professor Athanasios Diamantopoulos spoke to Greek Reporter regarding support for Syriza victory in second elections and opined that voters may rally to the traditional mainstream parties following "the megalomaniac conduct of the leader of the party with his attempts to meet with French President Francois Hollande. He tried to intervene in the European affairs with the threats of unilateral withdrawal from the commitments without realizing that the state should be continued."
Diamantopoulos also raises the question of possible third elections in Greece if second elections also fail to secure a coalition government.
The Euro-MultiKult wants to replace Greece with Turkey.
They have a plan.
Anon.
Diamonwhateveropoulis is whistling past the graveyard. Tsipras will increase his representation in the next election and maybe form a government. The legacy parties are rightly felt by the voters to have led Greece into the abyss. Syriza is selling a fantasy - that Greece can keep the Euro AND not pay its debts. But the Greeks love the life of fantasy that they have been living and don't want the party to end and so will buy Syriza's leftist bullshit. Obama sells the same BS in America - he has released a campaign documentary about a fictional "Julia" who lives on government benefits from cradle to grave. She receive "free" birth control, "free" medical care, free this, free that. Who pays for this is not mentioned - these benefits are literally "free" in the fantasy. Even a mate is not mentioned, even though children are - Julia is married to the state and needs no man to support her. Maybe she receives free sperm from the government sperm bank. This is the fantasy world of the leftist.
K
For the time being the Left is still in play. The hoi polloi think they can shake down enough from the rich. Fascists have an ethic of self reliance that does not play well with the bums. But there really is no money let in till and its only a matter of time before the wind blows in fascists' favour.
ivan
A question of great interest is whether the type of rightwingers who will emerge and gain popular support, will conform to the old-style beerhall-brownshirt phenotype,or whether, as I suspect, they will be different.
Anon.
"Clearly (eg look at Geert Wilders, the English Defense League, etc), white nationalists have woken up to the enormous opportunities to be enjoyed from pooling resources with pro-Israel and especially, pro-Jewish Jews."
I observed this myself.
The jewish ethnic - state is something the euro extreme right admires and wants to replicate.
Amazing how something we considered so very dead - the fascist ideology and behaviour - is coming back to life. Seems to me there were more to it then we thought. tribal reactions are very strong in humans.
I started to think that we didn't understand too well what it means because our image was obfuscated by the presence of Adolf in that picture. Due to the presence of the genocidal maniac in the story we somehow managed to miss a very strong possible evolution of human society.
Anyway the european evolution is very sympathetic towards Israel.
And the american white nationalists are extremely against. But that is normal social behavior. It's the 30s in reverse.
How it will evolve we shall see.
Nice interesting century this one will be.
"....conform to the old-style beerhall-brownshirt phenotype"
Greeks, even fascists, prefer wine. Greeks have always been very nationalistic - the Greeks objected to the deportation of the Greek Jews by the Nazis on the ground that they were GREEK Jews and as national property should not be removed any more than GREEK marbles.
Fascists usually don't like Jews, especially in their own country. If they "admire" Israel it is from afar and as a supposed model for their own behavior - "Those Jews know how to treat foreigners/Arabs/watch out for their own interests. We should do the same." It is a backhanded compliment at best.
It does look like the '30s all over again - first Europe will turn left and when that proves to be a dead end (again), they will turn right. It is ironic in that the Euro was supposed to bind Germany to Europe and keep them from invading, but at the rate things are going, they are the ones who are going to need protection.
Yesterday I was half listening to the radio and heard a few words from a Scottish economist. I think his general point was that Keynesian "stimulus" and not austerity was needed to prevent an economic death spiral but one of the things he said was "it is impossible to maintain a gold standard in a democracy". That really got me thinking. Is that true and if so, where does that lead?
K
K
"Fascists usually don't like Jews, especially in their own country. If they "admire" Israel it is from afar and as a supposed model for their own behavior - "Those Jews know how to treat foreigners/Arabs/watch out for their own interests. "
Precisely. It's sincere admiration and jews are not in their countries.. Coupled if I understood correctly some considerable amount of simpathy. And at least in northern countries the direction is anti islamic, so the people with african origin are pretty much not hated.
i would live France out because it's a much more complex subject.
"Greeks, even fascists, prefer wine." etc etc
I think we should live connections with Adolf out if we are to understand how things might evolve. That was a complete aberration. A nationalist country looks like fascist Italy in the extreme case.
The nazis are something strange and unique.
Like half of the Reich had slavic blood and it was a sort of race war against slavs. the reich had people lime Zelewski, Skorzeny as heroes, Von Lewinski(Manstein) as military leaders, loyal party cadres/military bosses like Milch (half jewish) and yet they were trying to exterminate blonde poles or jews as in a sort or race war.
That was a completely incoherent murdering spree. it's of no use to think about it in order to use similitude.
Adolf still haunts us. What I'm afraid is that he will continue to do this for some time until we hit who knows what disasters by trying to avoid his shadow.
Apparently the lessons of Adolf in Greece at least have worn off and the current generation of Greeks (who themselves suffered under the Nazis) are marching around under thinly disguised swastika banners, etc.
To write off the Nazis as a total aberration and to say that Italian fascism drew the right balance is wishful thinking. Humans tend to take things to their logical extreme - Nazi Germany was the end of the road down which fascism led, just as the gulags, the Cultural Revolution and finally Cambodia were the hells on earth that were waiting at the end of the socialist road and 9/11 was the logical culmination of Islamic doctrine. It is wishful thinking to hope that humans will apply the brakes half way down the slippery slope and come to rest at some golden mean. Humans just don't work that way. Our brains were evolved in conditions of scarcity, so if a little is good, then more is better, and even more is better still, whether it is food or booze or drugs or doctrine.
K
BTW, humans in general are totally lacking in insight into their own conditions or able to quickly rationalize away any contradictions. It is laughable to think that they would have stopped in their tracks if only you were there to point out to the Germans that they themselves, even their highest leadership, was of mixed race and that therefore a race war was pointless. Maybe when you were done with that , you could tell all the drug addicts and alcoholics that drugs and alcohol are killing them , tell the obese to lay off the carbs, tell all the politicians to keep it in their pants, etc.
K
teo the Fascist is ready to invade Russia all by himself.
Well , me thinks I didn't explain myself.
people are greedy, egoistic, full of hate beings - it's normal, that is what darwinism creates - and due to this fascism is a natural state for them. That is why even structures created to resist such impulses like the US devolve into it. Fascism by no means has a racial component . The Nazi extreme is an outlier, like the Red Khmers were.
Both modern Sweden and the Khmer evolved from socialism, but even K might accept there were some differences.
About a racially defined ethnic state.
Todays Israel is the wet dream of every extreme right person in Europe. It's their dreamworld. But they are not allowed to have such a beautiful society yet. You might consider there are clearly differences between Israel and the Nazis. I don't understand why you should define Israel in nazi terms. It is not the same.
What I was trying to explain is that using all the time " Reductio ad Hitlerum" can distort our ability to understand social evolutions. You might get Bibi Netanyahu not Adolf. And they are not the same.
All the above are observations, and do not represent in any way a personal view.
My personal feelings/opinions are far to the left. But they proved disfunctional, so I disagree myself with them.
There's some old Soviet joke that goes like that, where the Comrade has to disagree with himself in order to stick to the Party line. Does anyone remember how it goes?
K
One version is about a party meeting.
Comrades argue and argue.
Old Rabinovici keeps quiet.
party secretary sees this - keeping your mouth shut was very smart but unfair towards the others who had to say something.
So the secretary asks:
Well comrade Rabinovici, who is right? Comrade Ivanov or comrade Petrov?
Hmmm well comrade Petrov is right. But comrade Ivanov is also right.
Now 2 versions:
1."But com. Rabinovici they can't be both right!
"Hmmmm you know, you are also right comrade secretary."
2. " But you don't have an opinion comrade Rabinovici?"
"Well I have an opinion of course, but I disagree with it myself."
The quotation was from this joke. I adapted it for our discussion, being the best way to define of my position. The more I learn the more I start to resemble old Rabinovici, it was not only about fear that joke, but also about understanding the complexity and possible unwanted secondary outcomes in any well defined position.
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