Friday, June 01, 2012

Class Outing


June 1st., nice weather and the class is visiting some local water infrastructure. Next week we finish the semester and they will become civil engineers.

Someone commented that look old for students. They are. Israelis do three and half years of military service, so our students are already working in the building trade and most are married with small children. They achieve the civil engineer diploma at about age thirty.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is the class all men?

At MIT , Civil Engineering is now almost 2/3 female. Overall admissions are almost 50/50 , but there are some majors (electrical engineering/computer science) that are as low as 1/3 so other majors must be majority female.

Some majors are more popular than others so that even though women are a great % of civil engineering, in raw #s there are more women in EE/CS.

K

J said...

There was one female student in the tour. This year we have about 120 students: 117 boys and 3 girls. Admission is free to all paying students. It is a self selected group.

Anonymous said...

"Free to all paying students"
?

Anonymous said...

I was shocked when I found out that Civil Engineering at MIT was now 2:1 women. On the other hand, only 3 girls out of 120 seems low in the modern world.

Overall in the US, it is still 3:1 male enrollment in civil engineering schools. Why the imbalance at MIT? I think it is partly a mathematical artifact. They insist on an almost 50/50 male female overall ratio (even though they get more male applicants). Some majors are still disproportionately male (the students are free to choose their majors) - EE, math, physics, nuclear science, aeronautics. So, by definition, some of the others will have to be majority female. Some are where you might expect - biology , "brain science" (there are very few liberal arts majors at MIT - its not the place you want to go to get an English degree). But others (civil engineering) aren't.

K

Anonymous said...

I think he means "open" and not "free". I only wish that I could speak Hebrew/Spanish/Hungarian (and who knows what other languages) with 1/4 the fluency that J has in English.

K

J said...

I meant that everybody qualified and paid 11,000 shekels a year (2.800 dollars) was accepted. There are many sholarships and it is possible to work in the University (like lab assistant). If we have only 2% girls in Civil Engineering, that is their decision and I dont see anything wrong with it. Girls crowd the social sciences and health courses. We dont have Gender studies (yet) nor Black Studies.

J said...

BTW, most engineering students are married and work in something related to the profession. You can see many pregnant girls and other that bring their babies to the class room. That is unique, I think, to Ariel University.

Anonymous said...

You are lucky you are free of the gender and race commissars.

Anon.

J said...

Thanks for the correction. Free apparently is used to mean chargeless, and my intention was "open" admission to everybody. I was thinking in another language and translating. Sorry.

Regarding being free of commisars, it operates at another level. Although there are few female civil engineers, they dislike field work and gravitate toward teaching and administration, and have disproportionate amount of power.
Since I am not playing in that game, I never cared.

Javier said...

Do you think in Spanish? Because I'd make the same mistake, translating "libre" as "free" in "La admisión es libre..", and I am Spanish

J said...

Hola Javier. Asi nos pasa a los que pensamos...