Subsaharan Icelanders
Hans Jonatan was a slave of mixed ancestry who was born in the Caribbean in 1784. His mother was African and his father Danish, most probably Ludvig von Schimmelmann, governor of the Danish West Indies at the time. In the 1790s, Jonatan moved to Europe where he fought in the Napoleonic Wars and in 1816 he settled in Iceland where he married Katrín Antoníusdóttir, with whom he had two children through which he has about 500 present descendants in the Icelandic population today. The pic is from their clan book, This Jew says: So much for the purity of the Arian race. For this they killed my people? Source.
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Events like this were infrequent. There is the more famous case of Ibrahim Gannibal, great-grandfather of Pushkin, in Russia. He also has many descendants, including a few high nobles (via morganatic royalty), although perhaps not 500 alive at the present time. It's hard to think of many other examples off the top of my head, although I'm sure there were a few.
You're forgetting your Mein Kampf. Hitler didn't think that the Aryans were pure. Rather, their unfortunate impurities were the Jews' fault.
If they say that 10% of the Portuguese genome is subsaharan, and Portuguese mariners went everywhere, there must be many many cases. I remember that in Bristol, of all places, there was an old African community. Bristol used to be an important overseas port.
Spanish mercenaries were all over Europe, including in the Low Countries and Germany.
I dont give a damn about African mixture, during the Greek or Phoenician or Roman or recent times. At night, all the cats are black. I am just angry for another reason, that stupid slander about Israelis stealing Palestinian wastewater. It is so untrue.
And I'm fed up with Pushkin. Every time there are two Russians in the table and the Absolut has been consumed, they start its declamation in Russian.
Не торговалъ мой дЪдъ блинами,
Въ князья не прыгалъ изъ
хохловъ,
Не пЪлъ на клиросЪ съ
дьячками,
Не ваксилъ царскихъ сапоговъ,
И не былъ бЪглымъ онъ солдатомъ
НЪмецкихъ пудренныхъ дружинъ;
Куда-жъ мнЪ быть аристократомъ—
Я, слава Богу, – мЪщанинъ.
Подъ гербовой моей печатью
Я свитокъ грамотъ сохранилъ.
И, не якшаясь съ новой знатью,
Я крови спЪсь угомонилъ.
Я – неизвЪстный стихотворецъ,
Я Пушкннъ просто, – не
Мусинъ.
Я самъ большой, не царедворецъ
Я – грамотЪй, я – мЪщанинъ.
This is enough reason to hate Africans, dont you agree?
If they say that 10% of the Portuguese genome is subsaharan
You should read more carefully. 11% of south Portuguese mitochondrial DNA lineages are sub-Saharan. First, that's different from 11% of their genome. Given that sub-Saharan Y-DNA is rare in that population, we would expect a lower total genome percent, and autosomal DNA studies confirm that. Second, if African admxture is not evenly spread geographically, is it possible that it is segmented in other ways as well? Are there families in south Portugal that essentially lack such admixture and families that have more than 11% mtDNA, or is it evenly spread. That information is hiding in the sampling method, but we don't know just from reading the abstract. The full text may or may not delve into that subject.
If they say that 10% of the Portuguese genome is subsaharan
You should read more carefully. 11% of south Portuguese mitochondrial DNA lineages are sub-Saharan. First, that's different from 11% of their genome. Given that sub-Saharan Y-DNA is rare in that population, we would expect a lower total genome percent, and autosomal DNA studies confirm that. Second, if African admxture is not evenly spread geographically, is it possible that it is segmented in other ways as well? Are there families in south Portugal that essentially lack such admixture and families that have more than 11% mtDNA, or is it evenly spread. That information is hiding in the sampling method, but we don't know just from reading the abstract. The full text may or may not delve into that subject.
You are right but everywhere Portuguese and Spanish mariners and conquistadors went, they took with them African assistants. You can see them on Japanese representations of the Black Ships arriving at Nagasaki, and you can see even in the Cathedral of Quito, where the names of the Spaniards who entered the city are on the door. Among them an African. Those Africans left descendants, not less than the Europeans themselves. Anyway, this debate is over, as the Subsaharan races are well represented in today's European populations. In London one can estimate from 10 to 25% - who knows?
Jonatan was 1/2 black at most and probably less, since slavemasters were often attracted to mulattoes. As you can see, his own children were blond and did not look the slightest bit African. You're right though - who cares except for Nazis and they can go to hell.
K
The oldest people in that photo may be his children unless the clan book indicates that Hans Jonatan himself is represtented. He was born in the 1780's and may not have lived long enough to have his photograph taken. Also, he had only two children.
A lot of this Pushkin poem is "inside baseball" satire:
My grandfather didn't peddle pancakes,
Didn't shine the tsars' boots,
Didn't sing with the court sextons, Didn't jump from serf to prince,
Nor was he a deserter who abandoned
The Austrian powder regiments,
So how can I be an aristocrat?
I assume that he was referring to various figures at the court whose ancestors had done just those things, but I have no idea who.
Pushkin poetry is untranslatable. If you get the content, you lose the rhythm and vice versa.
K
There were rumors Wagner's father was a Jewish man, Geier, who was a close friend of his mother.
As you can see, his own children were blond and did not look the slightest bit African.
Small amounts of black admixture are not dangerous. But too much will cause nation wide problems like reduced IQ and crime.
This Jew says: So much for the purity of the Arian race. For this they killed my people?
I don't recall the Icelandic people being players in the Nazi holocaust of the Jews.
But nice try.
It's true that the Icelanders didn't actively participate in the exterminations, but they did refuse to accept Jewish refugees as of 1938. They also expelled several Jewish refugees during the late 1930's, even threatening to send them back to Germany if Denmark wouldn't support them.
And though the Icelandic government was never formally allied with Nazi Germany, a few Icelandic volunteers served in the Waffen SS, and a few Icelanders were stationed in concentration camps. There was also a native Icelandic Nazi-affiliated political party.
Funny that Americans never get dinged for the exact same shit (minus the Nazi-affiliated party-the only genocidal totalitarian regimes the US could tolerate were Communists.)
Because the communists are mostly jewish and supported by Wall Street (jews).
The communists are not "mostly Jewish." There's a difference between proportional overrepresentation and what you wrote, but accuracy is not your concern.
The Icelandic people had no play in the Holocaust. I singled out them only because of their remote Northerness and frequently quoted racial purity. No malignant slander intended in my part. If anything, it was that monster Hitler mocked them: "They wake up in the morning with a fish breakfast, lunch fish, and end the day eating fish and go to sleep smelling fish" or something like that. I for one like fish.
Stalin, Lenin, Beria, Mao-all Jews. Alger Hiss, Colonel House, Owen Lattimore-Jews to the core.
The more I think about it, the better it gets. The American Wall Street Jews (of the 1940s, no less) hated the Nazis for killing Jews. But they had no problem with the American government (which they controlled) denying sanctuary to those Jews able to escape, nor did they use their Jew influence to save their Jew brethren, or publicize the holocaust. Yes, I know, they made it up for publicity, which makes their failure to publicize it all the more puzzling. In fact, those influential Jews in the Supreme Court (Frankfurter) and Jew York Times (Sulzberger) did everything they could to keep the holocaust on the down low (see: Karski, etc.) Is this all part of their Jewish deviousness, impenetrable to the ordinary mind?
Tell me, White Soldier, are you an cook, or a clerk who keeps inexplicably fucking up simple paperwork?
I have tried to understand how the subject of what Nazis?? thought of racial purity ( ????) or German or whatever.
And there is none.
Starting with the fact that half of Reichsdeutsch had slavic blood.
But it gets even quite ridiculous.
Like Adolf was burned by his loyal driver and bodyguard Kempka. His last line of defence as the Americans might say.
The guy - Kempka - was a Ruhrpolen. Polish migrants to work in coal mines. Ten kids Kempka senior had.
One officer was promoted Major general because he married miss Daranowski. So you could be promoted a general by marring a Polish girl. Of course it helped that she was the bosses secretary.
I can go on for pages.
(They divorced after the war. Girl was pretty upset that the brave Aryan warrior managed to run away from the Fuhrerbunker while she stayed behind.)
Elite enforcers like Skorzeny or Zelewski - this one destroyed Warsaw among others. Pure Germanic Aryans. Not to mention Lewinski - whom we know as Manstein after his adoption name.
A lot of pure or partial jewish people. From the Air Inspector General - the guy who oversaw the entire military aircraft production of the Reich - Milch to Admiral Rogge. In Milch's case his mother just wrote a statement mentioning that neither he nor any of his 6 brothers/sisters were the biological children of his father.
I mentioned just the cases of people very high in the hierarchy.
Even Stauffenberg's sister in law was Jewish. Quite interesting person she was.
"She was the second German woman to be awarded the honorary title of Flugkapitänin (English: flight captain) and also flew over 2,500 test sorties in dive bombers, the second most of any Luftwaffe test pilot. Von Stauffenberg was awarded the Iron Cross Second Class and the Gold Front Flying Clasp for Bombers with diamonds, for performing over 1,500 test flights in dive bomber aircraft. In 1944, she was arrested with other Stauffenberg family members for suspicion of conspiring with her brothers-in-law to assassinate Adolf Hitler, but she was later released to continue her test flight duties."
About how the SS became a majority Slavic organization. Interesting how in real life whatever Adolf had in mind evolved.
It seems a murder spree with almost no coherence.
The most ridiculous case - from a racialist??? perspective is the first example. I suppose that pointing out that Adolf's secretary belongs to an inferior race and should be killed was not a good carrier move. It would have probably led to the brave race warrior being taken somewhere underground where some Ukrainian enforcers of the SS would have broken his bones.(Nobody had this stupid idea as I know of).It seems that Himmler liked the western Ukrainians - the orange ones - even more than the US. Hired a lot of them.
" This Jew says: So much for the purity of the Arian race. For this they killed my people? "
What Aryans? Aryans were the who Adolf decided were Aryans. It seems that he was very interested in getting a lot of people killed. Jews first of all. But even there he managed to make a mess out of it.
Someone made an analysis of the subject.
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html
Lots of pictures on the presentation page.
Sometimes it gets really weird.
The surface fleet commander was not like Milch. No Jewish origin. His wife was. And his naval chief of staff - his brother in law.
Of course the matter of them being Jewish was purely theoretical. You don't go and grab the wife of the fleet commander. She was definitely Aryan.
On his final mission the admirals chief of staff was Paul Ascher. Former artillery officer of Graff Spee, who managed to return from Montevideo in order to heroically die on the Bismarck. Of course the artillery expert is mentioned here because of his rather non Aryan ancestry.
These were the good ones. Speaking the right language. The Yiddish or Slavic languages speaking ones from Eastern Europe were clearly very very bad. Why was it so only Adolf himself could say and he didn't approach the subject.
He rumbled a lot of course but his actions are so inconsistent that the picture gets very murky.
There were mountains of inconsistencies, but the main thrust was to exterminate all the Jews that could be cought in the network, and that is what happened. That some individual Jews survived the war in Berlin or were protected by Himmler himself, does not change the big picture.
Most Germans outside of Berlin and the large cities had never seen a Jew, so any second generation German Jew with no affiliation with Jewish organizations and married to a German girl could easily "pass" as Arian. But there were few who wanted to do so, Jews live in families and communities, would not cut off all connections. Basically because no German Jew realized that he had been condemned to die.
"According to historian and Israeli Army and U.S. Marine Corps veteran Bryan Mark Rigg, up to 160,000 soldiers who were one-quarter, one-half, and even full Jewish served in the German armed forces during World War II, including several generals and at least one field marshal, Erhard Milch."
How could anyone realize what Adolf had in mind?
Even the psycho didn't have a clear idea except having to kill as many as possible. The mixed ones from the Reich itself were quite accepted. But those unmixed race polluters, especially the dangerous ones from Poland(?????) were to be completely eliminated.
It seems clear that practically nobody in Germany had any problems having so many Poles and partially Jews as part of the elite or the army. So clearly a genocide was not something to be expected. A lot of screaming but everybody thought that was all.
The entire Aryan identification seems to me as having been cooked up by Adolf himself. ( I do not speak about the whole body of works about races etc written before. Just his attempt to implement those disparate ideas in practice.) And the guy was not known for his coherence.
That is why I think he still haunts us. And things like HBD are to be avoided. If such deviations are possible then the entire field has to be avoided. At least in the political/social sphere. The scientific side is OK it seems.
Who were the Aryans nobody really knew. Of course on paper all sort of phantasmas appeared. But in practice it was clear nobody had any idea.
So the genocide happened due to the maniac himself and his incoherent ideas. We can not fight him again. Nor can we stop him. All we can do is try to eliminate the basis of his ideas. At least from the public sphere of interest.
The Nazi empire evolved in few years towards a very classical imperial form. Only his will kept the genocide going.
In rest the army/SS complex started to rely heavily on Slavs. Industry and agriculture did the same. And it was only the beginning. Only difference - and it's a huge one - was the ruler's pet idea about having a genocide as a side show. Or maybe the great conquest of Eurasia was the side show. He managed to make a mess of everything.
Like the way he was fighting the dangerous race polluters. Just that the race polluters and the very polluted were part of the power structures of the Reich or the armed forces.A lot of them out of a quite small population. While the Jews of Poland and Hungary were wiped out for fear of racial polluting. Who were they racially polluting???
Lutjen's Kids were going to become race polluters. And Heinrici's ( he was the last defender of the East, end of the war etc). And yet they were part of the elite while the poor communities which kept to themselves from the East were treated as the dangerous polluters of the noble Aryan blood.
Clear as mud.
How can you predict a Holocaust out of this?
Clearly you can't because nobody did. They were not naive. They could not have imagined such a thing.
Hitler didn't exactly try to hide his hatred of Jews.
The exemptions granted to guys like Milch were marked "for the duration" with the implication that these guys were needed for the war effort but that once the war was won they would be re-examined for racial purity and next time they would look harder. Seems to me that this did not exactly give Milch a big incentive to see to it that the Germans won, but the Germans were more into sticks ("work hard and we won't kill you") than carrots.
Using the Slavs and other inferior races as slave labor was not inconsistent with Nazi doctrine. In the case of the SS, they found that Ukrainians made the best camp guards because they loved killing Jews - it was like getting paid for your hobby!
The Holocaust was unimaginable in the sense that the Germans were considered to be among the most cultured people of Europe and no one dreamed that they would take turn their formidable organizational and technical skills to the industrialization of mass murder.
K
I think teo summed it up quite clearly.
It is true that the HBD movement is frequently a cover for genocydical racist tendencies. But I am not sure that (I quote) Things like HBD are to be avoided. If such deviations are possible then the entire field has to be avoided. At least in the political/social sphere. The scientific side is OK it seems. There are differences mostly following geographical environments where each group evolved, but now the world became small and we have to find the way to live in peace with each other. We have not found the optimal social model for a diverse society. America for all its rhetoric, helds millions of young black Africans in jails. That is not a solution. It is evil. Europe and America had us Jews cloistered in ghettoes to protect themselves from our academic and commercial competition. And ended by trying to exterminate us. Now the Chinese are ante-portas, they are very able and hardworking. How to deal with their presence? Kill them like Indonesia? Oppress them like Malaysia? I dont know. The diversity issue is most urgent in Israel, where we have the largest IQ differences among us. Not talking about it will not solve anything. On the contrary, the lack of solution will end in tragedies like Rhodesia and South Africa.
The European empires - Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman, etc. were quite diverse and functioned well for centuries. They did not insist that each ethnic group had to be represented in each profession strictly according to its % in the population. Even the Gypsies filled a socially useful role as tinkers who repaired pots, musicians, etc.
K
America for all its rhetoric, helds millions of young black Africans in jails. That is not a solution. It is evil.
J, most of those who are locked up are violent and dangerous. What would you have us do with them? Let them loose on the street?
Lincoln's idea was sort of a Zionism for Negroes - send them back to Africa. But that proved impractical. First we used them as an agricultural workforce, until agriculture was mechanized, then we used them as an industrial workforce until we moved our industry to Asia, and now they are surplus population largely supported by the government one way or another - nobody can think of a better solution. They have an avg. IQ of 85 and are not going to become cardiologists. What to do?
Surely though we can do better. We are operating under illusions and fantasies. The other day a group of ghetto teens from Philadelphia were in a bus crash in Boston - the (black) driver had ignored the numerous signs that he was entering a cars only parkway with low bridges. What were they doing in Boston? They had been taken on a tour of Harvard University. These people had as much business at Harvard as I have trying out for the NFL. But the group was given a name such as "Dare to Dream" and given a bus ride and a tour and free lunch. At least they were off the streets for a day.
K
What to do with them? I dont know. Surely not busing them to Harvard. My point is that there is an issue here and it is not debated in public, not even through the use of polite euphemisms, as Victorians talked about sex. HBD at least dares to mention things.
Derbyshire worked for a supposedly conservative publication and merely by mentioning that he advised his children not to walk on ghetto streets late at night he was fired. Also Watson, Summers, etc. HBD dares to mention things but nobody in his right mind dares to mention HBD in public.
In today NY Times there was a big article that women score better than men in science in some countries but not in the US. The study that they drew from showed that the US (both male and female) was way behind some other countries, but they ignored that - I had the feeling that the authors didn't care HOW low our scores were, as long as we were all equal in our misery. We are entering "kill my neighbor's horse" territory.
K
What to do with them?
Separationism from civilization?
The USA is no longer run by adults.
Anon.
The USA is no longer run by adults.
Anon.
We do not discuss about HBD because we do not have answers. And the road might lead to unexpected and unpleasant ends. And not necessarily for the Afro.
In US for example in very lucrative activities like finance and media there is a large Jewish presence. Due to intelligence or due to conspiracy is pretty irrelevant. They are there.
And results are nothing to brag about. The greatest missalocation of capital in human history took place.
So do we want to talk about society in ethnic terms? I think not.
Because some people might get the idea that Jews managed to still or lose everyones money.
It is not phantasy, it happened just a few decades ago.
A return to the millet system of the Ottomans is not a possibility today.
It is a Pandora box. Better not stick our collective noses in it. Now we are going slowly towards blaming the financial engineers for the mess we are in. Debates about HBD and group differences are exactly what we need now.
J opened my eyes on the subject. Stalin and todays komissars were/are right. Everything has to be judged on individual basis.
There are no evil/inferior peoples. Just bad individuals.
Anyone who says the reverse is an enemy of peace. And should be treated as such. Because yes he really is trying to undermine the stability and legitimacy of our present social-economic system.
I think that is the definition of an enemy.
Who knows who might find himself on the wrong side of the gun? Has anyone the certitude he and his relatives are going to be on the right side, the one with the handle?
Out of sheer preservation instinct I side with the Kommissariat. The chances that my children will end up on the wrong side are not neglijable. So I consider that anyone who tries to bring the subject to light and public attention poses a real danger for them. We know that we should avoid big groups of young Afro males.
But that is enough. Live it like that.
About social utility the subject is rather more complex. Afros are very low in social hierarchy in the US. So they have very little access to the imperial tributes flowing towards the shores of the metropolitan area. Are they less useful than better placed people who gorge themselves because they managed to crawl their way towards the trough?
See , very unpleasant issues stick their heads when we start talking about utility and value of human beings. It is a box better left closed.
Those who can eat. Those who can't watch. That is all . Move along folks. Who deserves what is better left at individual level.
Only 2 questions we should ask:
1. Will social/political stability follow?
Well probably in medium term the reverse is a better guess.
2. Am I going to be a beneficiary?
Well , not sure. Becoming a victim is a distinct possibility.
In this case Stalin was right. Burn the heretic. What do you want with us mister?
And by the way all problems are always solved. Time and nature offer solutions. And God - for the religious ones. Sometimes there are no better solutions and just walking slowly, one painful step after another towards the future is the only way. In this case that is the solution. Problems we can not solve are not problems at all.
We might also dislike gravity and snowing. But those are not problems. Just facts of life.
The US is supposedly NOT a Stalinist regime, where those who speak against the Revolution are enemies of the people and are dealt with harshly. Supposedly, we have a constitution that enshrines free speech. Supposedly. Then again the Soviet Constitution was also full of all sorts of noble sounding rights that were not honored.
K
K, in another post J gave the best answer. Fits here perfectly.
"This is one area where we soon shall have more studies and more precision. It will do us no good. An harmonious society is necessarily based on "white" lies."
A multi ethnic society is particularly fragile.
Same set of problems Stalin encountered lead to hmmm similar answer. The correct answers to a problem are usually identical.
Wrong ones vary.
This is the short concise answer. Rumblings bellow.
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Mistakes made by USSR yesterday and US today are numerous. They shall prove to be fatal in both cases. But they are not related to management of a multi ethnic society or about the limits allowed to public discourse. Both got that issue right.
Quite simple to do anyway. Don't rock the boat comrade or we are going to make your life very unpleasant.
Turkish Emperors got it right also. Same method. Don't rock the boat or those boys with yataghans will pay you a visit and explain to you the errors of judgement you made.
So you have either this or separation. Either total like USSR/Yugoslavia or only de facto like Lebanon. There is a reason why different countries exist.
If you know of any historic case going a third way I'd be very very curious. Noble sounding words are of no use if tyranny is the only line of action keeping us away from genocide and ethnic cleansing.
How a debate about free speech, rights etc in a multi ethnic , multicultural society develops ( in societies who manage successfully such diversity of course):
- Wanna see some ol' time genocide in our country, comrade?
- No? Then shut the frak up and move along or we break your bones.
1. First possible ending. Happy one. You get the message and move along.
2. Second possible ending.
- Aaaaaah! You really wanna see nice bloody tribal warfare in our great country?
You wanna destroy the country and bring poverty and bloodshed on our collective heads?
Get the bastard boys!!!!....( to be filled according to local conditions and preferences.)
K, in another post J gave the best answer. Fits here perfectly.
"This is one area where we soon shall have more studies and more precision. It will do us no good. An harmonious society is necessarily based on "white" lies."
A multi ethnic society is particularly fragile.
Same set of problems Stalin encountered lead to hmmm similar answer. The correct answers to a problem are usually identical.
Wrong ones vary.
This is the short concise answer. Rumblings bellow.
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Mistakes made by USSR yesterday and US today are numerous. They shall prove to be fatal in both cases. But they are not related to management of a multi ethnic society or about the limits allowed to public discourse. Both got that issue right.
Quite simple to do anyway. Don't rock the boat comrade or we are going to make your life very unpleasant.
Turkish Emperors got it right also. Same method. Don't rock the boat or those boys with yataghans will pay you a visit and explain to you the errors of judgement you made.
So you have either this or separation. Either total like USSR/Yugoslavia or only de facto like Lebanon. There is a reason why different countries exist.
If you know of any historic case going a third way I'd be very very curious. Noble sounding words are of no use if tyranny is the only line of action keeping us away from genocide and ethnic cleansing.
How a debate about free speech, rights etc in a multi ethnic , multicultural society develops ( in societies who manage successfully such diversity of course):
- Wanna see some ol' time genocide in our country, comrade?
- No? Then shut the frak up and move along or we break your bones.
1. First possible ending. Happy one. You get the message and move along.
2. Second possible ending.
- Aaaaaah! You really wanna see nice bloody tribal warfare in our great country?
You wanna destroy the country and bring poverty and bloodshed on our collective heads?
Get the bastard boys!!!!....( to be filled according to local conditions and preferences.)
Teo,
America has been having itself a nice quiet race war since the 1960s. Don't believe me? Check out Detroit, or its franchises in every mid-size and large American city. It does not differ in any way other than intensity from what you saw in Yugoslavia. The twist is that this race war is just a manifestation of class war. The ethnic cleansers are incited and subsidized by the white upper class against the white middle and working class. Every once in a while, you have a friendly fire incident, like Emily Guendelsberger (whose reaction was quite telling.)
The latest, most prominent manifestation is Chris Dorner, who gave a shoutout to Jango Unchained, which is basically a piece of war propaganda made by the white upper class to encourage its proxies to attack its enemies with renewed vigor.
Of course, for every Dorner or Colin Ferguson, there are tens of thousands of murders, rapes, robberies, etc. This is just how race war works. Check out Christina Eilman, and notice that the outrage was mostly directed at the cops for releasing her in a wildlife sanctuary, not the people who allow such places to exist in every American city as a matter of conscious and cynical policy.
It's hard to call it a race war when most of the victims are of the same race as the perps. In the last few decades, there have been several hundred thousand young black males killed, overwhelmingly by other young black males. Those doing the killing are not racially motivated - they'll kill anyone who angers them or endangers their drug dealing business.
There was a war for control of the cities in the '60s , but the white people lost so that war is over.
K
Bullshit. Their internal squabbles are business as usual, but their white victims are assaulted for being white. Go look up the black reactions to Jango Unchained, or what they said they'd do if Romney won. Fortunately, Twitter gives us a direct feed into the mind of the black community. We just have to look.
The "white people" didn't lose. They are still in charge. The wrong kind of white people lost and had to sell their property for pennies on the dollar and flee to the suburbs.
Also, here you go. Check Unamusement Park's stats on who attacks whom.
http://unamusementpark.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/flyer1_crime.jpg
What people say on Twitter and what they really do are 2 different things. Although there is plenty of black on white crime and even more black on black crime, racial tension is fairly low because blacks consider that they have already won the war.
White people lost in the cities, except for NY and Chicago which never quite tipped (almost did under Dinkins and Washington). Look at the race of the mayors of the major cities and tell me who won that war. Yes, there is the 1% who live in a bubble and can align themselves with whomever suits their moral conscience and fashion because they are largely insulated from the consequences.
K
No, what they say on twitter and what they do are exactly the same thing. They are violent and thuggish both in twitter and IRL. Racial tension is only low in the places where ethnic cleansing are complete.
The mayors don't run the cities, just like the president doesn't run the country. Populations with an average IQ of 85 are incapable of winning wars against those with and average IQ of 100, unless there is a third (smarter) party on their side.
The war isn't completely over yet. At some point whites might yet figure out that they have been playing in a rigged casino.
Maybe inferior people can't win the war but they sure can win a few battles. A couple of weeks ago in Philadelphia a (white) pest exterminator got into a dispute with his (Eurasian) client, a young female doctor, and he killed her. Her superior IQ did not protect her from the brute who strangled her. This happens all the time.
K
You have a problem. You think of white people as monolithic. In reality, they are split into two classes, one of which is taking the shafting, the other one giving it (by proxy.)
Stupid people can win fights, and (rarely) battles. They can't win wars, unless they have a major hidden force on their side taking care of their planning, coordination, logistics, propaganda, targeting, etc. Even then, they are bumbling and inefficient. See: SWAPO, etc. But when their backers are strong enough, they will win, sooner or later.
For a more eloquent spin on this, see Jim McDonald here: http://blog.jim.com/war/boots-on-the-ground-are-insufficient.html
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