Saturday, December 28, 2013

Argentina, De Nuevo. De Nuevo.

The World Bank's site is an  unexhaustible source of PC platitudes. Sergio Berensztein has discovered that public security, public services, etc. are superior in those parts of Argentina where the better class people lives, and concludes that it is the State that - through purposeful economic policies - creates those differences. In his words:

"El Estado es un aparato pro cĂ­clico, que acentĂșa (lejos de mitigar) las diferencias de ingreso y riqueza."

The State, he says,  is a pro-cyclical mechanism, that increases (instead of mitigating) income and wealth differences. His hypothesis is that by focusing and investing in native populations the Government will vanquish the dark forces that depress them, creating equal incomes and equal wealth all over eternally misgoverned Argentina.

If Obama's government would be really anti-cyclical, it would transfer the nation's resources to its weakest sectors. Or is it already doing so?

"Anti-cyclical", a PC concept new to me. Sounds so good.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's wrong to analyze the Argentine state in terms of whether it accentuates or mitigates differences in wealth between the rich and the poor. It's actual mission (regardless of what is publicly stated) is to accentuate the wealth of the ruling clique and mitigate the wealth of everyone else. The provincial police are not a part of the ruling clique so their wealth must be mitigated (by inflation that is not compensated by corresponding wage increases). Seen in those terms, the policies of the government are sensible and not psychotic as they appear to outsiders.

K

Anonymous said...

Berensztein strikes me as a very intelligent person whose mind is not especially clouded by PC platitudes or ideology (though no doubt he is not free from the prejudices of his class). His discussion of the PISA results in Argentina (especially the differences between Buenos Aires and the rest of the country and between public and private schools) was interesting and the first I had seen. As the economic situation in Argentina deteriorates, it is becoming more like a typical third world country with a small wealthy elite in the capital and a large underclass elsewhere. I get the feeling that there are also racial differences that are increasing as a result of a differential in birth rate between the European elite and the mestizo provincials. In short, Argentina is becoming Mexico, complete with a corrupt police force that is allied with criminal elements.

K

J said...

The process is quite advanced, I fear. Anticyclical policies will not help.

There is a large and growing non-European underclass. The country has changed, it has regressed to barbarism. Pity.

J said...

I think the comment on PISA you are talking about was not written by Berensztein although it was published in his blog.

I never said he was stupid. Not at all. But having studied economics in America has stunted his critical capacity and thinks in anti-cyclical terms. He cannot get himself to think honestly and say that there may be powerful, overbearing non-economic factors in PISA and income and so on.

Anonymous said...

Of course, PC requires that you cannot directly hit the nail on the head and discuss reality in crude racial terms. As you yourself have said, such a discussion may not even be a good idea - some things are better left unsaid in the interest of a "harmonious society", as the Chinese say. But Berensztein is no fool - it is possible to refer to these things indirectly so that everyone knows what you are talking about anyway. So in the US, discussion about education always center on "urban schools". Urban is a polite euphemism for "non-white". I assume in Argentina it is gradually becoming understood by all that provincial is now a polite word for mestizo.

I agree though that until there is better recognition of the nature of the problem, the cures offered will be laughable and ineffective (not that a cure is necessarily possible - that is the real problem). For example, in California now only 26% of the school population is white (and that number is even lower in many "urban" areas). So if you compare the results with the California of say the 1960s (when Reagan was governor California schools had the highest achievement in the US) it seems like the schools have deteriorated greatly and there is much talk of "fixing" the schools (which seems mostly to involve throwing enormous amounts of money at them) but it is not the schools themselves that need fixing. You are talking about apples and oranges - California has gone thru population replacement. It would be like comparing the schools in my father's shtetl (which was once 80% Jewish) pre and post-war. They are now teaching an entirely different group of people. But again you can't openly discuss this so instead you focus on the deficiencies in the teaching staff or teaching methods or the racism of the faculty who do not expect as much from their students or whatever.

K

Ronduck said...

J,

I am sorry about the email. disregard it.

spagetiMeatball said...

Who are the "natives" in Argentina exactly?

Ronduck said...

I am going to come back and comment again. I am no longer going to use my real name online as I no longer feel the need to be that honest.

Second, can you go back to writing about women? Maybe a woman on a large water truck? Water Porn?

I was at Apache Sands gas station and tow company in Apache Junction, AZ and the proprietors had posted a large calendar of tow trucks. Looking at the calendar I couldn't shake the feeling that the photographer wanted to photgraph naked women. None of the photographs were overtly suggestive and yet looking at the trucks posing in staged circumstances caused me to realize what the photographer wanted.

I also have realized something else. If I end up commenting here again this is a lifetime problem.

I won't get back into the immoral chosenness bullsit.

Third, eighth, when I was converting to mormonism, and destroying my life, I met an Argentine missionary from Texas. she had large hips. I then destroyed my life and didn't ask any of the missionaries if they would marry me.

Finally, check my website.

spagetiMeatball said...

Maybe the answer is for all the advanced people to just get in a spaceship and leave earth where they can live without pesky minorities wasting all their money? There is not solution. So people learn to think in imaginary terms to avoid thinking about the reality: Hence "anti-cyclical" policies and
"invisible privilege" and things like this.

Ronduck said...

Maybe I shouldn't make commenting here a lifetime problem. I need to go somewhere else and hide.

Ronduck said...

I am commenting from the library and for some reason I keep having my time extended.

J said...

Who are the natives? Argentina's first peoples were Guarani indians in the North, and pampas indians in the South. They were largely exterminated, but here is a large immigration from Bolivia and Paraguay, as well the natural recovering of the small pockets of indians in remote areas. The effect of the European immigration between 1890 - 1920 is being diluted. It is a slow process, so new generations have never known anything else. It is not a dramatic disaster, but a low mexicanization of the country.

J said...

K

If you think over the "anti-cyclic" concept, you'll see it is nonsense. Cyclic means something that repeats itself, ups and downs, but poor people does not get wealthy cyclically, and wealthy people does not become underclass every once in a while, so anti-cyclic policies are absurd.

Now imagine the World Bank and the IMF (International Monetary Found) acting on the ideas of Berensztein. I dont know which kind of idiots are more dangerous: those who goes intimate with the African chambermaid, or those whose native cognitive abilities were stunted by a long stay in American academia.

Anonymous said...

I think he is referring to the business cycle - something that is "pro-cyclical" exacerbates the effects of the business cycle (depressions) and something that is anti cushions the effect of the cycle on the poorest sectors. He is saying the current Argentine government does the former.

I suppose more precisely he really means pro and anti - redistributionist (with the redistribution going from rich to poor - Obama's "spread the wealth" but analyzed in this way his statement becomes trivial and also it is not good to be seen as an express redistributionist (socialist) - better to be seen as being against the business cycle. Who in his right mind is FOR depressions?

K