Thursday, June 12, 2014

Iraq Army Capitulates (Again)

The Guardian headline: "Iraq army capitulates to Isis militants in four cities. Half a million people on the move after gunmen seize four cities and pillage army bases and banks".  Remind me please, what was that "Arab Spring" about? When are the British coming back to restore order and security?  Turkey demands NATO intervention!     Pic.: Tomb of Prophet Ezekiel, in Kifl, Iraq. Today it is a mosque.

38 comments:

  1. Anonymous8:15 AM

    The "British" are unable to restore order and security in their own country, and in fact are currently in the process of handing it over to Islamic fundamentalists.

    Anon.

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  2. I am less pessimist than you. Britain is well ordered and there is public security. A few years ago (the Falklands war) they were still very much alive. Not all hope is lost.

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  3. Turkey demands nothing. Everyone fuck off, stay in your homes, and build a cement wall around you.

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  4. 80 Turkish nationals were taken prisioners including the Consul. Mosul is part of the Ottoman Empire, theoretically.

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  5. A short operation to retrieve them, kill whoever it is necessary to kill, get the hell out of there, and build a war 40 feet high along the border.

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  6. We've already seen the effects of Uncle Sam deciding to stir the hornet's nest, for three decades no less.

    You are the only person, by any reasonable estimation, left on earth who thinks that's a good idea.

    Keep dreaming about an Anglo-American dominion and top-hats and 19th century oriental express from Delhi to Ye old Fuckbottomsville-on-the-thames.

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  7. Actually, I think that as usual you are projecting your own inferiority complexes here (any minute now the "hacker" will start ranting about raping and killing everyone in the human race.)

    No top hats or anglos necessary. The Ottoman Empire, for instance, did a much better job of providing a peaceful framework for coexistence and responsible management than the current goatfuck that is the average Middle Eastern country. Of course, the Ottoman Empire is done, felled by the same virus that killed the Brits. And the Americans are not competent to lead a gang of alcoholics to happy hour. Guess it'll have to be us, just like the prophets say. 10 non-Jews hanging onto a Jew's tzitzit, demanding leadership. Wait till Al Qaeda's had the place for a couple of years-they'll be howling for our management.

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  8. I'm not projecting anything. The old man is always talking about how he wants the middle east back in the hands of the british empire.

    Israel cannot even occupy the west bank without international issues, scandals, increased terrorist activity, what makes you think they can manage anything more?

    They don't have the manpower or GDP for something like that.

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  9. So what? Let him talk. The Brits are not the chipper pederasts of yore but rather a sordid collection of drunken slags and chavs, with a healthy sprinkling of Turd Worlders.

    If you need manpower and GDP to run your empire, ur doin it rong. A proper empire YIELDS manpower and GDP. Think how immensely profitable a properly managed Iraq would be to the proprietor. And there are, believe it or not, enough humans in there with the brains to run it. All you gotta do is make them personally accountable at all times to adult supervision and equipped and charged with making their subordinates personally accountable to them at all times. Not so complex.

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  10. Dude, I don't think Iraqis are useful in any industrial or service capacity. For any reason. What other use can Iraq be: Resources? Buy them from the dictator who's keeping a lid on everything. Agricultural capacity? A food importer. Land? Who the fuck needs land in the 21st century?

    What is it useful for, remind me again?

    You and I are polar opposites. "Turd" worlders make your schmeckle hard with rage, but for some incomprehensible reason you enjoy imperialising them in your magic factories or something.

    To me these are just simple people, no matter how primitive or wild. But I harbor no illusions about how useful they will be in a 21st century economy. Neither do people who run most of the countries I live in.

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  11. Anonymous7:12 PM

    Is this the real spageti or the imposter spageti?

    I'm sure that the 3 million Iraqis of 1900 were more useful and easier to manage than the 30 million Iraqis of today, most of whom are poorly educated youth who have grown up in a violent and unstable environment. A lot of the fighting that's going on is just what happens to rats in an overcrowded cage (Iraq is huge but 90% of it is uninhabitable desert). Once the population was allowed to explode like that, it was more or less inevitable that the infrastructure could not keep up and chaos would reign.

    The British have their own tsuris are in no position to restore order and J is making an ironic suggestion in jest and not a serious proposal, but it sure would be nice if they could.

    The Jews aren't going to do it either - they couldn't even manage a few square miles in S. Lebanon. The Jews may be the light unto the nations, but most people are blind and could not see the light even if you beat them over the head with your f*cking 4 D-cell flashlight.

    Nor is it really possible to put a wall around them. Even tiny Gaza cannot be secured fully. You would need something bigger than the Great Wall of China (which didn't work either) to run from Latakia to Mumbai to wall it all off. So the future hold chaos and it will periodically spill over onto us no matter how much we try to contain it.


    It saddens me a little that I can't take a road trip from Bangkok to Jerusalem like in the old days, but really it's no big deal for me. But what I am really sad about is those 30 million Iraqis (most of whom should never have been born in the 1st place) and the 180 million Pakistanis and the 30 million Afghans, etc., all fated to be misruled for who know how many more generations. So much unnecessary human suffering and death.....



    K

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  12. >I don't think Iraqis are useful in any industrial or service capacity.

    They are not much worse at factory work than the Chinese.

    >Resources? Buy them from the dictator who's keeping a lid on everything.

    The overhead is too high, because the dictator is wasting a lot of money inefficiently, being one of the retards and having an apparatus made of them. You will have to build and operate the resource extraction apparatus yourself, and be subject to random extortion. Not efficient.

    >Agricultural capacity? A food importer.

    Given its piss poor management, yes. Given halfway decent management, the Mesopotamian flood plain can feed the whole Middle East.

    >Land? Who the fuck needs land in the 21st century?

    Spoken like a true deracinated urban peasant. Land prices have been going up and up lately. You like eating cucumbers and olives for breakfast, right? Well, they have to grow somewhere.

    >What is it useful for, remind me again?

    People are inherently productive, given proper management and incentive structures. Lacking those, they are inherently destructive. You have to pick-order or chaos, life or death.

    >"Turd" worlders make your schmeckle hard with rage, but for some incomprehensible reason you enjoy imperialising them in your magic factories or something.

    The Iraqis I saw and dealt with were pure chimp evil. Not simple people. We only have two choices-figure out how to rule these people in a productive framework for mutual benefit on their land, or have them come to our land and destroy us and themselves, as you can see Middle Eastern immigrants doing everywhere they go. There is no stasis in history. Never was, never will be.

    >To me these are just simple people, no matter how primitive or wild. But I harbor no illusions about how useful they will be in a 21st century economy.

    That's because, in this rat experiment, you're one of the Beautiful Ones.

    >I'm sure that the 3 million Iraqis of 1900 were more useful and easier to manage than the 30 million Iraqis of today, most of whom are poorly educated youth who have grown up in a violent and unstable environment.

    Today's administrators have the benefit of modern communications, RFID, cell phones, etc., which are power multipliers. Anyway, you think when the Brits conquered and administered the Indians, Sudanese and Egyptians, their subjects were well educated bourgeois from nice families?

    Huge parts of Iraq are well-watered fertile land. Certainly Israel is denser, yet the infrastructure is doing fine. It's a question of responsible management. Who are you to say who should and should not have been born?

    The Jews who couldn't manage Lebanon were a product of their time and context. The time and context is changing. So are the Jews.

    >So the future hold chaos and it will periodically spill over onto us no matter how much we try to contain it.

    No. Either we will create and maintain order, or the chaos will swallow us.

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  13. Ok enough. I'm not interested in arguing with stubborn besserwissers.

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  14. Who are you in life to have such grand plans? Who will listen to you?
    Are you the leader of a political party? You are an ultra-orthodox Kahanist of some sort, I think, and do you know how much political support that guy enjoyed in an israel that was literally besieged on every front? Not much.

    Now imagine how much political support you will have in an Israel that is richer and more comfortable than it was before.


    Your only hope is to go orchestrate some terrorist false flag attack in israel or europe and blame it on the palestinians in hopes of polling higher.

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  15. I thought those nutty nordic white nationalist types had the most deranged political views, but it appears Israel also has some homegrown moonbats.

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  16. You'd be hard pressed to find a better besserwisser than I-I spent a lot of time on the ground in Iraq, thinking and reading about exactly these kinds of problems. Then I went back to the states to go to college, and guess what? Somali refugees everywhere! You can't get away from it. You have to deal with it or let it eat you alive.

    Who will listen to me? I'm not a political leader. Rather, what I'm talking about will happen as a matter of political necessity.

    Rav Kahane's (may his memory be a blessing) Israel was under far less pressure than Israel underwent in the last 25 years. In retrospect, more and more people understood how right he was. I recently spoke with a completely secular university professor, whose brother was murdered by three Arabs. One was released for Shalit, one in the first round of prisoner releases, one in the last one. You think someone like that will see my logic, or yours?

    Of course, "Yeshurun grew fat and kicked," and may do so again. In which case, we will not bring order to chaos but will have chaos brought to us. I hope we make the right choice.

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  17. Anonymous8:48 PM

    I recently spoke with a completely secular university professor, whose brother was murdered by three Arabs....

    They say that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality, but this is worse than a mugging.

    On that line, Mayor Koch used to tell a joke. There was a liberal criminal court judge in NY who was mugged in front of the courthouse and his mugging received some press coverage. The judge called a press conference and announced, "I wanted all of you to know that this mugging will in no way influence my decisions from the bench, blah, blah, etc." which point a little old lady in the back of the room piped up, "Well, then mug him again!"

    K

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  18. Under my beloved Victorian English colonists, Iraq was a gold-mine. The Anglo-Iraqi Oil Company was so rich that its employees lived like kings and were sent yearly to vacations in Europe. They could retire at forty to settle in a little farm in Essex, hunting foxes and breeding dogs till cyrrhosis claimed them. In TAHAL I met elderly engineers who built for the English most of the military airports and roads and ports of Iraq. Tnuva in those times was the main food supplier of the British Army in the Middle East, the yishuv in Palestine was quite prosperous in the twenties and the thirties, when the world was in Depression. Iraq's agricultural potential is infinite, they have (had) water and fertile land and manpower. What is what they produce and export? Dates. Low quality dates nobody wants to buy. We in Israel have the professional and entrepreneurial capability to develope the Middle East into a paradise, but we dont need it. We dont want a colonial economy but a hi-tech learning economy. Our future is in space, in artificial intelligence, in pharma, in genetics, in finance, in new areas. Maintaining a low tech conventional economy is a handicap for us, we need it only to keep occupied the minds and hands of our Arab and Beduin populations in something. We have invented and are teaching the Beduins fake folk dancing to keep them happy.

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  19. Good. My only hope is somehow for turkey to break into the new economy too, but unfortunately I don't see it happening.

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  20. Anonymous8:59 PM

    Anyway, you think when the Brits conquered and administered the Indians, Sudanese and Egyptians, their subjects were well educated bourgeois from nice families?

    No, but the difference was that the Brits were fully confident of and convinced of the superiority of their civilization. People respond to that kind of confidence, especially if what came before was not so hot. After 37 million Europeans slaughtered each other in the trenches in WWI while accomplishing nothing, it was hard to say with a straight face, let alone believe it yourself, that your civilization had figured it all out.

    Now the only ones who think (no, they KNOW) that they have all the right answers are the religious fanatics. Or as Yeats said in his prophetic Second Coming:

    The best lack all conviction, while the worst

    Are full of passionate intensity.

    K

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  21. We in Israel are lucky that our environmental is so hostile to us, otherwise we would be happy millionaire colonials. That was the danger from day one in Palestine: the farmers in Benyamina and Rishon Le Zion employed cheap Arab "infiltrators" from Egypt and Syria, and built big houses and behaved like "effendis". The settlements in Gaza strip (and in Sinai) also became very prosperous in a few years, exporting fresh winter produce to Europe. Thanks God we are forced to make a living disconnected from the retarded Arab Middle East. we must compete with the best, with Palo Alto and with Beijing.

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  22. Though come to think of it, I spoke to my uncle a while ago and the factory he owned was planned to be repurposed in some joint-israeli project for building drone and for other aerospace testing/construction.

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  23. I am truly jealous of you. Well done. With some luck maybe in 500 years we will also have some working industry, heh!

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  24. Anonymous9:06 PM

    The Anglo-Iraqi Oil Company was so rich that its employees lived like kings and were sent yearly to vacations in Europe....

    While the fellahin lived like dogs in mud huts as they always had.

    That was not going to be a sustainable situation, especially not with the Soviet Union and the Baathists stirring the pot.

    K

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  25. To succeed in the modern world, in any field, you must have a high IQ, so naturally intelligent people like jews will succeed wildly. But they are few (0.14% world population) so that does not mean the rest have to just fold their hands and work as toilet cleaners.

    Countries in middle-income trap still have lots of space for economic expansion and either by creating a native middle class or importing one they an probably continue to grow.

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  26. Then step-by-step, with careful investments, they may also stake their bets to become new powers, but this process may take decades, if not hundreds of years.

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  27. The trick in the modern world,
    I think: Don't be retarded, increase your IQ, and if you cannot do it yourself, pay for someone to increase it for you.

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  28. Anonymous9:35 PM

    The trick in the modern world,
    I think: Don't be retarded, increase your IQ, and if you cannot do it yourself, pay for someone to increase it for you.

    Could you name a country where this strategy is being implemented (other than China, perhaps)? It seems like the US, Europe, even Israel, are running in the opposite direction to see who can import the most and brownest people and be idiocratized the fastest?

    K

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  29. I cannot. But I have a feeling many non-democratic places like Iran, China, North Korea, Cambodea, will notice trends and might implement some medical system to bring about. I don't think anybody will be building death-camps for retards, though.

    Maybe a stealthy vaccine program to limit child-bearing among the slum classes? Something like this was done in Uzbekistan where the head honcho had all unmarried women inoculated.

    I don't doubt for a second more places will follow suit. Iran had abortion trucks going around literally forcing women in late trimesters to abort, in order to keep demographics under control and not become like Iraq. There places in the world that know how to control their populations, places that you and I would never want to live in.

    But I'll be damned, if there is no way to increase IQ. There is of course. And my bet it is bastards like the mullahs of Iran and Kim-Jong il that lack any scruples that will implement policies like that in the future. With outside professional management and advice from western or chinese experts of course.

    The trick is will their hatred of the European/Western world be stronger than their love for their lemousines? I don't know.

    But there is nothing in the world more scary than a politician who is a true believer.

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  30. Don't be horrified: How do you think you jews became who you are, by reciting Tanakh all day and rapping pray shawls this way and that? Of course not. There was some kind of boiling-off. Of people.

    Why shouldn't other people follow suit?

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  31. Anonymous1:32 AM

    If there was really boiling off there would be genetic traces in the surrounding populations, but there aren't many. The Amish, who as adults are expect to make a conscious decision to join the church (or not) only lose maybe 10-15% in each generation though the broader society welcomes them (or at least is indifferent). There were stories in the shtetl of Jews converting but it was pretty rare.

    I have no doubt that if this technology exists, it will be used in Asia. Already (even though it is illegal), ultrasound is used in the most remote Chinese villages for sex selection and many more boys than girls are born. Chinese families would pay anything for a SMART Chinese boy and wouldn't hesitate for one second to abort or do whatever it took to optimize their one and only child.

    K

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  32. By boiling-off I mean they kicked the bucket. Or were hung or burned at the stake by the surrounding villagers. In any case its obvious the richer jews didn't give a fuck about them, because well... there's no stupid jews around, they all died.

    So you guys do take care of your own, but there's an implied contract.

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  33. >We in Israel have the professional and entrepreneurial capability to develope the Middle East into a paradise, but we dont need it.

    We will have no choice. Our operating manual is the Torah, not Elysium. If you don't fix chaos in your backyard, it will be in your living room.

    >We dont want a colonial economy but a hi-tech learning economy.

    This is not a balanced system. You need both. Britain's greatest technological and educational progress coincided with its colonial peak, and not coincidentally.

    >Our future is in space, in artificial intelligence, in pharma, in genetics, in finance, in new areas.

    Also. But if you go to Holon and Petach Tikva, you will notice vast factory areas making low-tech but useful things at a profit.

    >Maintaining a low tech conventional economy is a handicap for us, we need it only to keep occupied the minds and hands of our Arab and Beduin populations in something.

    We also have a large intellectual middle and lower class.

    > In any case its obvious the richer jews didn't give a fuck about them, because well... there's no stupid jews around, they all died.

    You are an idiot. The Jews have always been distinguished from the non-Jews by the level of support for the poor of our community. It's a fundamental commandment.

    Good luck with your eugenics plan. If the dumbest Turks have one child per family and Spageti dies sterile, what does the future hold for Turkey? 1) A collapsed low IQ population, 2) takeover by ISIS. If you read history instead of HBD blogs, you'd understand.

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  34. Anonymous8:40 PM

    The Jews have always been distinguished from the non-Jews by the level of support for the poor of our community.

    Maybe, but why was there never a systematic effort from among the rabbis and wealthy communal leaders to resolve the poverty of the luftmenschen and the poorest tradesmen? The high birth rates among the Eastern European Jews ensured great poverty. The leadership should have tried to control population growth.

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  35. Because the Torah says, "the poor you will always have with you." Any population has wealth distributed on a bell curve. The idea that you can resolve poverty by killing the poor or keeping them from reproducing is a uniquely wicked 20th century one, pushed by the Rockefeller Foundation and such. Poverty happens. It's a fact of life. Only spoiled and sheltered SWPLs could think that it is a terrible phenomenon solvable by destroying poor people or forbidding them from having children.

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  36. Anonymous12:12 AM

    Not limiting population under the constraint of finite resources makes "the poor you will always have with you" a self-fulfilling prophecy. Of course wealth would have been distributed along something like a bell curve among a smaller population of shtetl Jews, but those at the left tail of the curve would have had more wealth than they did after the Eastern European Jewish population explosion. I don't see how it's "destroying the poor" to act so that the poorer among you are wealthier than they would have been had their mindlessly fecund forebears procreated without restraint.

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  37. Resources are limited only by human intelligence and imagination. To have intelligence and imagination, you need a large population with a median IQ high enough to produce extremely smart people and others who can appreciate and support their intelligence, and yet others who are not smart but are economically productive and can sustain the intellectual upper class.

    "Mindlessly fecund"-your verbiage stinks of snobbery. Having children and raising them to maturity is a significant achievement. What have you accomplished in your life? I have much more respect and admiration for the poor Jew who raised several children to adulthood in the hope that one or more would succeed (and many did-my grandparents and great-grandparents went from poverty in shtetlach to become medical professors and engineers,) than for some miserable masturbator like yourself. But I wouldn't deny your right to have children-you do that on your own.

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